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MANAGEMENT DISCUSSION SECTION
Operator: Good morning, and welcome to the Independent Bank Corp. Third Quarter 2011
Earnings Call and Web cast. All participants will be in listen-only mode. [Operator Instructions] After
todays presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. [Operator Instructions] Please
note this event is being recorded.
This call may contain forward-looking statements with respect to the financial conditions, results of
operations and business of Independent Bank Corp. Actual results may be different. Independent
Bank Corp. cautions you against unduly relying upon any forward-looking statements and disclaims
any intent to update publicly any forward-looking statements, whether in response to new
information, future events, or otherwise.
I would now like to turn the conference over to Christopher Oddleifson, President and CEO. Mr.
Oddleifson please go ahead.
Chris Oddleifson, President, Chief Executive Officer & Director
Thank you and good morning everyone and thank you for joining us today. Sharing the call with me
today as always is Denis Sheahan, our Chief Financial Officer, who will provide color on our
financial results following my comments.
Well in 2011 we continue to perform well, and as you can see from our results I am happy to say
that we maintained our positive momentum through the third quarter. Net income totaled $12 million
or $0.56 per share. These results were nicely ahead of both prior quarter and prior year earnings
levels. We are on track to achieve our original earnings expectations for 2011, which we shared
with you at the beginning of the year. Ongoing momentum in our businesses, along with the
success in recent growth initiatives, have allowed us to mitigate the pressure in our industry from
the challenging external environment.
Our commercial banking business continues to be a real bellwether for us. Loan origination activity
remains vibrant, as we continue to capitalize on our strong visibility in the marketplace and our
highly personalized approach.
Reported loan growth wasnt as strong as in previous quarters as we spent much of the third
quarter rebuilding the pipeline which was exceptionally flush in the prior quarter. The good news is
that we head into the fourth quarter with a very strong pipeline.
Commercial banking and wealth management are real competitive strengths of ours and a key
driver of future growth, as such, we are moving aggressively to expand our reach, talent and
capability in these businesses. In just the past few months, we have hired an experienced team of
asset-based lending professionals who bring with them valuable experience. Weve added a senior
C&I lender in the Greater Boston market to take advantage of the opportunities we see there.
Weve opened a commercial banking and wealth management office in Providence a market we
know well and a natural complement to our Southeast Massachusetts presence. Our kickoff events
two weeks ago were very well attended by local business leaders and ranking civic officials
including the Governor of Rhode Island and the Mayor of Providence.
Weve expanded our outreach efforts for our retirement plan services to small businesses resulting
in increased accounts and assets under management. And weve begun leveraging financial
planning capabilities in our Wealth Management business with the addition of an experienced
financial planner. These moves do add a little to our expense base but we are quite confident it will pay
back many times over. Another high priority business of ours, home equity continues to grow. Total
outstandings grew by 10% annualized in the third quarter over the linked quarter. We continue to
promote home equity products in both new and existing Rockland Trust households and our offers
attracted a lot of additional business.
On the retail side, we see this market environment as one of unprecedented opportunity as the
large banks continue to raise fees and reduce service levels, Rockland Trusts value proposition is of high customer intimacy and fair transparent pricing, becomes even more attractive to
consumers and small businesses looking for a financial partner.
We have extended the aggressive brand and customer acquisition program, that we began in the
spring and we have been very pleased with the increased level of household and deposit growth
throughout the year. These efforts have helped us grow our core deposit bases, which now
represent 83% of our total deposit base.
We are also expanding our mobile banking offerings by extending our popular mDeposit
application to a broader range of smartphone users. Introduced earlier this year this features allows
both retail and business customers to scan and deposit checks by phone. This capability is available
in iPhone, Android and Blackberry platforms.
We feel the combinations of our expanded product offerings and our promotional efforts are focused
on the customer and the operating and competitive environment are serving to differentiate the
image of Rockland Trust across our footprint, and are the primary reasons, why customers and
businesses see Rockland Trust as a great banking partner.
Turning to our risk profile the picture remains very encouraging. Our balance sheet continues to be
in excellent shape. Credit quality trends have consistently compared favorably to the industry and
our peers. Net charge-offs declined to modest levels in the third quarter. Non-performing loans
ticked up, but from a very, very low level. Capital levels continue to grow and strengthen.
I usually provide a quick perspective in the macro setting but frankly not much has changed; the
national picture remains very muddled as you are all aware, the lack of political consensus in
Washington makes it hard to inspire any confidence in a near term turnaround. The Massachusetts
picture however continues to be relatively better with unemployment rate of 7.3% and this is down
from 7.4% just a month ago versus a national rate of 9.1%. This reflects pockets of strength in various indigenous industries, the greater Boston market unemployment rate is considerably better
at 6.5% and the construction industry should be receiving a pickup with several large projects in the
Boston area have recently broken ground.
But its hard to be anything other than circumspect in light of the tremendous uncertainty that
persist. Our focus is on positioning the Rockland franchise to continue to excel and remaining flexible
to adjust to the ups and down of the economy. The best way to do that is to continue to invest in
our strengths, grow our customer base with innovative products and services, and motivate and
energize our Rockland colleagues to win in a marketplace and thats exactly what we are doing.
I have said before that engaged employees lead to satisfied customers and I can truly say that my
colleagues at Rockland Trust are doing an outstanding job for which I thank them.
With that Ill end it here and hand it over to Denis.
Denis K. Sheahan, Chief Financial Officer & Treasurer
Thank you, Chris and good morning. Independent Bank Corp reported net income of $12 million
and GAAP diluted earnings per share of $0.56 in the third quarter of 2011 as compared to net
income of $11.1 million and diluted earnings per share of $0.52 in the second quarter of this year.
The second quarter included security gains of $723,000 pre-tax or $0.02 per diluted share, while the
third quarter contained no such gains making the comparison that much stronger. On a year-to-date
basis operating earnings improved by 17% to $1.58 per diluted share over the prior year.
We remain pleased with the companys performance on both a quarter and year-to-date basis. Key
performance ratios were generally solid in the third quarter with return on average assets at 99
basis points, return on average equity at 10.28%, and the net interest margin hanging in there at
3.84%.
Loans were flat on a linked quarter basis and up over 9% on a year-to-year basis following three
quarters of strong growth through June. We did expect the third quarter to be slow as the loan
pipeline was in rebuild mode. And the good news is we expect relatively robust growth in this fourth
quarter and possibly into the first quarter of next year as the loan pipeline as Chris mentioned is at
a record high due to the new lender hires and continued opportunity from dislocation in the market.
Both commercial and home equity balances are expected to benefit in this regard.
As Chris mentioned previously we announced a number of investments in our commercial banking
division and wanted to share with you the expected impact. The cost of these new business
initiatives adds $600,000 pre-tax to operating expense this year and $2.2 million pre-tax in 2012.
We conservatively estimate $65 million in additional loan outstandings by the end of 2012 and $150
million in additional loan outstandings by the end of 2013 with the initiatives reaching profitability in
that year.
Deposits were also essentially flat on a linked quarter basis but mask a continuing positive story of
growth in core deposits, up 4% annualized and an expected reduction in the CD category, down
4%. Total cost of deposits declined further to 37 basis points. Asset quality trends remain excellent.
Net charge-offs decreased to 15 basis points annualized in the third quarter and are 24 basis points
annualized for the year-to-date period.
Non-performing assets increased $5.6 million to $36.6 million or 75 basis points of assets. And loan
delinquency was relatively stable at 89 basis points. Early stage delinquency thats the 30 to 89
day period was 50 basis points of loans. Looking ahead, we expect these positive trends to maintain. Although the level of loan net charge offs will increase somewhat in the fourth quarter and
the provision for loan losses will also increase commensurate with a higher level of net charge-offs
and anticipated loan growth.
We expect loan charge-offs to be around $9 million to $10 million for the year and the loan loss
provision to be approximately $10 million to $11 million, below the ranges previously discussed.
The net interest margin decreased to 3.84% from 3.97% in the second quarter. All told, the margin
has declined by almost 20 basis points since the beginning of the year, much of this reduction
experienced in this third quarter. The significant drop in interest rate indices, particularly in the third
quarter has had a material impact on loan repricing and new loan origination yields.
We are hopeful of maintaining a net interest margin in the 3.80 to 3.85 range in the fourth quarter...
as deposit cuts late in Q3, in addition to CD maturities in Q4, should serve to offset pressure on
earning asset yields. Noninterest income excluding securities gains decreased by 3% or $436,000
in the quarter largely due to the impact of the equity market on the companys trading asset.
Noninterest expense decreased 4% overall driven largely by lower costs related to advertising
down $900,000 and loan workouts down $700,000. This more than offset an increase of 4% in
salaries and benefits due to the investment in various revenue initiatives as described earlier.
Ill now discuss earnings guidance for the remainder of the year. Since the first quarter, weve
consistently provided an estimate of diluted earnings per share on an operating basis of $2.07 to
$2.17 for the full year. With a quarter to go we expect to be coming closer to the middle of that range.
This concludes my comments.
<Chris Oddleifson Independent Bank Corp. (Massachusetts)>: Great, okay were ready for questions.
QUESTION AND ANSWER SECTION
Operator: Thank you sir. We will now begin the question and answer session. [Operator
Instructions] And our first question will come from Mark Fitzgibbon of Sandler ONeill. Please go
ahead sir.
<Q Mark Fitzgibbon Sandler ONeill & Partners>: Good morning guys, how are you?
<A Chris Oddleifson Independent Bank Corp. (Massachusetts)>: Good morning Mark.
<Q Mark Fitzgibbon Sandler ONeill & Partners>: First question I had just to clarify you said
there was I think $2.2 million of pre-tax expenses in 2012, is that all related to that new asset-based
lending team?
<A Denis Sheahan Independent Bank Corp. (Massachusetts)>: Its the asset-based
lending team and the Providence initiative.
<Q Mark Fitzgibbon Sandler ONeill & Partners>: Okay and then secondly you said the
pipeline is at record levels, can you tell us how big that is?
<A Denis Sheahan Independent Bank Corp. (Massachusetts)>: Yeah there is two Ill
give you two components to the pipeline Mark, the gross backlog which is before it goes through
the entire credit processes is at $700 million. Its the highest ever in our history and the approved but
not closed is $200 million. So those are loans that are through the approval process, but just have
not closed at this point and that is the highest in at least the last 12 months, I havent gone back
much further than that. But it is one of the highest on record.
<A Chris Oddleifson Independent Bank Corp. (Massachusetts)>: We should point out Mark
that approved not closed doesnt necessarily mean they will close. The customer may have a
competing offer and they may not land here.
<Q Mark Fitzgibbon Sandler ONeill & Partners>: Okay.
<A Denis Sheahan Independent Bank Corp. (Massachusetts)>: But its a good indicator of
expected growth.
<A Chris Oddleifson Independent Bank Corp. (Massachusetts)>: Yeah and it is at the
highest in the last 12 months.
<Q Mark Fitzgibbon Sandler ONeill & Partners>: And on your deposit cost you have fairly
low deposit cost, do you think you have any room left there to sort of drive those down?
<A Denis Sheahan Independent Bank Corp. (Massachusetts)>: Well just to give you a
sense of the margin because we know I mean we certainly know the margin decreased quite a bit
here in the third quarter. What you dont see though is the margin for the month of September was
3.92%, so we were able to reduce some of our funding cost both in deposits and in borrowings in the
very latter part of the third quarter so that will benefit somewhat heading into Q4, but clearly yields
on newly originated earning assets and repricings as loans mature are coming down, because of
where absolute indices are. So, we would thats why we were guiding in the 3.80% to 3.85% range for
the fourth quarter. Beyond that Mark when youre approaching an overall cost of deposits of 30
basis points now, certainly is challenging to reduce it further. We do have CD maturities as I
mentioned in my comments earlier coming in the fourth quarter of about $150 million that will
benefit us, but its challenging.
<Q Mark Fitzgibbon Sandler ONeill & Partners>: Okay. And as you try to sort of outrun the
NIM challenges by growing the balance sheet, how low would you be willing to take the tangible
capital ratio. I think its like 6.72 now?
<A Denis Sheahan Independent Bank Corp. (Massachusetts)>: Well, if your question is
inferring are we planning to raise capital, we are not.
<Q Mark Fitzgibbon Sandler ONeill & Partners>: No, thats...
<A Denis Sheahan Independent Bank Corp. (Massachusetts)>: We...
<Q Mark Fitzgibbon Sandler ONeill & Partners>: The question is would you be willing to
take it much lower than sort of 6.72 or with the earnings that you project, that youre going to have,
do you think youre going to take that ratio down much?
<A Denis Sheahan Independent Bank Corp. (Massachusetts)>: It may come down
modestly on an occasional quarter; for example in Q4 if we have the kind of loan growth that we
expect tangible capital may drop in Q4 but will repair very quickly thereafter.
<Q Mark Fitzgibbon Sandler ONeill & Partners>: Okay. And then lastly just on commercial
real estate loan pricing, could you maybe share with us what the trends have been like recently?
<A Denis Sheahan Independent Bank Corp. (Massachusetts)>: Competitive. Both on
both ends of the spectrum, both on the lower end less than $2 million and its become significantly
more competitive for the larger players above $2 million. So it certainly is competitive. I think the
benefit we have with the pipeline that we have is that we have a fair amount of demand at the
moment and we can be somewhat selective in the credits that we price.
<Q Mark Fitzgibbon Sandler ONeill & Partners>: Thank you.
<A Chris Oddleifson Independent Bank Corp. (Massachusetts)>: Thank you, Mark.
Operator: And our next question will come from Damon DelMonte of KBW. Please go ahead.
<Q Damon DelMonte Keefe, Bruyette & Woods, Inc.>: Hi, good morning guys. How are you?
<A Chris Oddleifson Independent Bank Corp. (Massachusetts)>: Good morning, Damon.
<Q Damon DelMonte Keefe, Bruyette & Woods, Inc.>: Just real quick, could you clarify one
thing, you mentioned that you had about $700 million in your gross backlog for your pipeline and
$200 million in the approved but not closed, is the $200 million included in the $700 million or is that
in addition to?
<A Denis Sheahan Independent Bank Corp. (Massachusetts)>: Yes, its included in.
<Q Damon DelMonte Keefe, Bruyette & Woods, Inc.>: Its included in, okay. All right, thank
you. I guess with respect to the securities portfolio what kind of cash flow do you, are you
generating each month and kind of what are the rates that are coming off and versus what you are
putting it back on at?
<A Denis Shehan Independent Bank Corp. (Massachusetts)>: I think and Rob will look
this up but, I think its in the region of $10 million a month Rob, is that right? And $12 million in the
most recent month. So a ballpark $10 million, $12 million a month. And the overall yield of the
securities portfolio, bear with me a second, overall yield of the securities portfolio in the third quarter was 3.70%. And so as you know, we have not been buying much if any securities nor do we plan to
other than just to support collateral from a liquidity perspective but one cannot get anywhere near
3.70% yield on securities today. So that alone, the drop in the securities portfolio brought the
margin down two basis points in the third quarter.
<Q Damon DelMonte Keefe, Bruyette & Woods, Inc.>: Okay. All right, great. And then with
regards to asset quality it looks like there was a slight uptick in commercial real estate, only like $3
million at the most but was that one particular credit or are there some moving parts behind that?
<A Denis Sheahan Independent Bank Corp. (Massachusetts)>: Its largely one credit yes.
Its a, its a construction credit, Rhode Island based, yes and it did hit non-performing in the third
quarter.
<Q Damon DelMonte Keefe, Bruyette & Woods, Inc.>: And what was the actual dollar
amount of that?
<A Denis Sheahan Independent Bank Corp. (Massachusetts)>: A touch over $3 million.
<Q Damon DelMonte Keefe, Bruyette & Woods, Inc.>: Okay, great. Thats all I had for now.
Thank you.
<A Denis Sheahan Independent Bank Corp. (Massachusetts)>: Sure.
Operator: And our next question will come from Mac Hodgson of SunTrust Robinson Humphrey.
Please go ahead.
<Q Mac Hodgson SunTrust Robinson Humphrey>: Good morning.
<A Denis Sheahan Independent Bank Corp. (Massachusetts)>: Good morning.
<Q Mac Hodgson SunTrust Robinson Humphrey>: On the margin Denis you mentioned a
3.92% in September but when we think about your guidance for the fourth quarter of 3.80% to 3.85% I could be thinking of it incorrectly but I think of coming down from 3.92%
down to that level and as we look out into 2012, do you have a lot of opportunity to reprice
CDs further into 12? Would we expect similar rates of NIM compression? I know its obviously
difficult a lot of assumptions there just trying to get some more help in 2012?
<A Denis Sheahan Independent Bank Corp. (Massachusetts)>: Yes Mac this is as we all
know this is very challenging right now. Well have some opportunity in 12 for further CD repricing
but you know that book has been running down. So there will be some assistance there but limited.
The issue is really on the earning assets side and the yield on new loan originations that we are
trying to maintain floors, in response to the question earlier about the competitive environment its
getting more competitive, its getting tougher to hold those floors in pricing. So yeah I mean the
we are also in terms of that asset origination in commercial, were trying to swap a lot of it get a lot
of it to variable, because we strongly feel that this is not the time to be making mistakes that will
have tough long-term consequences by doing a lot of fixed rate pricing here.
So were increasing our asset sensitivity, that has an impact on the margin when youre youre not
reaching for that fixed rate, but swapping it to variable. That combined with limited opportunity to
reduce our cost of funds, its going to hurt the margin in the coming quarters.
<Q Mac Hodgson SunTrust Robinson Humphrey>: Okay, great. You may have said this, but
what what floors are you able to get, whats the level generally?
<A Denis Sheahan Independent Bank Corp. (Massachusetts)>: Im not going into that its
competitive Mac. So, Im not going to get into what the what the floors are, but we are trying to be
disciplined here. We are trying to get paid credit premium, get paid for taking risk. But its getting
more competitive out there.
<Q Mac Hodgson SunTrust Robinson Humphrey>: Okay. And on the expenses, the ABL
initiative new hires and the Providence expansion?
<A Denis Sheahan Independent Bank Corp. (Massachusetts)>: Theres hires in that as
well.
<Q Mac Hodgson SunTrust Robinson Humphrey>: Are those just trying to think of the
expense level maybe for the fourth quarter, were those kind of fully in, I think they might have been
kind of intra-quarter but, should we expect expenses to go up in the fourth as result of -
<A Denis Sheahan Independent Bank Corp. (Massachusetts)>: Yeah modestly there was
about of the $600,000 about let me see, a little less than $240,000 was in the third quarter. So,
they were there for a good chunk of the third but not all of it.
<Q Mac Hodgson SunTrust Robinson Humphrey>: Okay, okay, good. The other questioners
addressed my other questions, thanks.
<A Denis Sheahan Independent Bank Corp. (Massachusetts)>: Thank you.
Operator: [Operator Instructions]. Our next question will come from David Darst of Guggenheim
Securities. Please go ahead sir.
<Q David Darst Guggenheim Securities LLC>: Hi, good morning.
<A Denis Sheahan Independent Bank Corp. (Massachusetts)>: Good morning.
<Q David Darst Guggenheim Securities LLC>: Should we expect to see a pick up in your fee
income as you close the pipeline in the fourth quarter?
<A Denis Sheahan Independent Bank Corp. (Massachusetts)>: Possibly, assuming that
assuming that we are as successful as we hope we will be in closing those loans wed like to see a
pick up in fee income but it depends on where those credits go; if they go floating, straight floating
or straight fixed or they are swapped, if theyre swapped thats going to have an impact on fee
income. But if they go straight floating or fixed that really would not, it is a modest more modest
impact.
<Q David Darst Guggenheim Securities LLC>: Is the nature of the pipeline that you have got
a lot of fixed rate that you want to swap to floating?
<A Denis Sheahan Independent Bank Corp. (Massachusetts)>: Yeah, I mean anything
that, anything thats of size in the commercial real estate side we do try to swap and we think there
is a good benefit to our customers where rates are today to for them to be looking for longer-term
fixed rate with the swap.
<Q David Darst Guggenheim Securities LLC>: Okay.
<A Denis Sheahan Independent Bank Corp. (Massachusetts)>: So, we encourage that
but it takes two to tango.
<Q David Darst Guggenheim Securities LLC>: Got you. Do you think the construction; the
commercial construction portfolio run-off is near an end?
<A Denis Sheahan]Denis Sheahan>: Id like to think so, but as Chris has talked about there
is not a lot of whole new economic activity, we see some seeds of construction projects, we would
certainly like to see more and that would benefit outstandings, but we need more economic activity
to drive that. There is a lot of construction activity beginning in the Boston area and one hopes that
that will filter through our markets and lead to a pick up in construction lending.
<Q David Darst Guggenheim Securities LLC>: Okay and how about with the trading asset,
the unrealized loss there, is that something that should recover?
<A Denis Sheahan]Denis Sheahan>: Yes.
<Q David Darst Guggenheim Securities LLC>: In the fourth quarter?
<A Denis Sheahan Independent Bank Corp. (Massachusetts)>: Its a small asset, its in the
single million dollars, the asset is there to fund executive retirement benefits; thats the sole
purpose of it and volatility in the equity markets took a bite out of it this quarter, it should recover
yes.
<Q David Darst Guggenheim Securities LLC>: Okay got it. Thank you.
Operator: And our next question will come from Laurie Hunsicker of Stifel Nicolaus. Please go
ahead.
<Q Laurie Hunsicker Stifel, Nicolaus & Co., Inc.>: Great thanks. Hi Chris and Denis.
<A Chris Oddleifson Independent Bank Corp. (Massachusetts)>: Hi Laurie.
<Q Laurie Hunsicker Stifel, Nicolaus & Co., Inc.>: Just a couple of things I wondered, just
going back to Providence, can you share with us what your break-even projection is both in terms
of total deposits and timeframe?
<A Denis Sheahan Independent Bank Corp. (Massachusetts)>: Yes I think in my
comment I mentioned in 2013...
<Q Laurie Hunsicker Stifel, Nicolaus & Co., Inc.>: 2013 but I didnt know because that also
include the asset based lending team, so I didnt know
<A Denis Sheahan Independent Bank Corp. (Massachusetts)>: Yeah. Thats them
together.
<Q Laurie Hunsicker Stifel, Nicolaus & Co., Inc.>: Okay.
<A Denis Sheahan Independent Bank Corp. (Massachusetts)>: Both Providence and asset
based lending is in 2013.
<Q Laurie Hunsicker Stifel, Nicolaus & Co., Inc.>: Is in 2013, okay and what will you be at in
terms of total deposits?
<A Denis Sheahan Independent Bank Corp. (Massachusetts)>: I dont have the deposit
number Laurie, I have a loan number, I think I provided that but I honestly dont have that deposit
number.
<Q Laurie Hunsicker Stifel, Nicolaus & Co., Inc.>: I guess, generally what would be a
deposit number for breakeven, not necessarily where you will be at the end of 2013, but what do
you look at in terms of saying, hey, with interest rates this low this is likely? Or you just dont have,
okay, fair enough. If we could go back and I think Damon started this question on the commercial
real estate non-performing jump, and you mentioned it was $3 million construction loan in Rhode
Island. Can you tell us a little bit about that loan, how much, is it started, what was what type of
construction, when did you actually put it on the books?
<A Denis Sheahan Independent Bank Corp. (Massachusetts)>: It was put on the books I
think was it 07, possibly 08 timeframe. And its a construction credit and weve run into some
issues on it and its in non-performing and we will work our way out of it. Theres really not a whole
lot more to say than that Laurie.
<Q Laurie Hunsicker Stifel, Nicolaus & Co., Inc.>: What type of commercial real estate?
<A Denis Sheahan Independent Bank Corp. (Massachusetts)>: Construction.
<Q Laurie Hunsicker Stifel, Nicolaus & Co., Inc.>: I know, I mean, is it office, is it retail, is it...
<A Denis Sheahan Independent Bank Corp. (Massachusetts)>: Im not going to get into
those details Laurie.
<Q Laurie Hunsicker Stifel, Nicolaus & Co., Inc.>: Okay. Can you share with okay, can you
share with us, I mean, the value? I guess, is it partially constructed, is there, is the LTV on the land
or can you share with us any sort of....
<A Denis Sheahan Independent Bank Corp. (Massachusetts)>: No.
<Q Laurie Hunsicker Stifel, Nicolaus & Co., Inc.>: I mean, your credit is pristine, so Im not
trying to...
<A Denis Sheahan Independent Bank Corp. (Massachusetts)>: And...
<Q Laurie Hunsicker Stifel, Nicolaus & Co., Inc.>: Im not trying to pick, Im just curious, Im
just trying to get a read.
<A Denis Sheahan Independent Bank Corp. (Massachusetts)>: You know, Laurie, I think
our history on credit speaks for itself. So, Im not going to give any more details around this credit. I
think we have a history of showing that we work through these credits pretty effectively. Look at our
delinquency, our charge-off rates and the absolute level of non-performing is very acceptable, so
lets leave it at that.
<Q Laurie Hunsicker Stifel, Nicolaus & Co., Inc.>: Absolutely, no I agree. Youve got very
good credit. Okay. So, just jumping on to REO cost and this just might be a way that I have trouble
interpreting your press release, I know your REO costs last quarter were $832,000 and I cant tell if
it decreased linked quarter by $667,000 or it is now down to $667,000 for this quarter, Im reading
that it decreased $667,000 which would put us at $165,000.
<A Denis Sheahan Independent Bank Corp. (Massachusetts)>: Yes, it did go down
$667,000, but in that cost number is whatever noninterest expense items we have related to OREO
properties, taxes, maintenance, if there is a valuation adjustment, et cetera, there is a lot of different
items that flow into it. And if you look back our charge-offs were higher in Q2 than they were in Q3.
We talked about that we did a lot; we spent a lot on work-out in the second quarter and weve
shown here with this third quarter a significant favorable variance.
<Q Laurie Hunsicker Stifel, Nicolaus & Co., Inc.>: Okay. But so its down to $165,000
correct?
<A Denis Sheahan Independent Bank Corp. (Massachusetts)>: Its down $667,000; do
you happen to have the number?
<Q Laurie Hunsicker Stifel, Nicolaus & Co., Inc.>: I mean I think I had it at 832 but Im not
100% sure, okay. And then I guess the last question I have for you Chris and this is more macro,
and I know I ask you this every quarter, but M&A if you could sort of just give us an update
obviously your stock currency is one of the strongest running around out there. How youre looking
at the world?
<A Chris Oddleifson Independent Bank Corp. (Massachusetts)>: Yeah, not much has
changed, but Id be happy to sort of summarize. Weve made three acquisitions over the last
several years, theyve all worked out really well, great adds to the franchise. Theyre all
opportunistic, we are not depending on acquisitions as youve seen over the last several quarters
weve been able to clock some really great organic growth, the initiatives we talked about earlier
today are going to add to that organic growth. And but however should a Board of Directors raise
their hand and say now wed like to sell the bank that would were not going to be at the table and
have a conversation, but as you know were very disciplined in our pricing and have the
shareholders in mind and thats thats sort of where weve been, where we are today.
<Q Laurie Hunsicker Stifel, Nicolaus & Co., Inc.>: Okay and then just one last thing just if
you can remind us, what is the most dilution you would take to tangible book in terms of doing a
deal?
<A Chris Oddleifson Independent Bank Corp. (Massachusetts)>: Yeah...
<Q Laurie Hunsicker Stifel, Nicolaus & Co., Inc.>: And I realize theres a lot of moving
components that drive a deal. But, its just becomes such a sticking point as of late and Im just
wondering?
<A Chris Oddleifson Independent Bank Corp. (Massachusetts)>: Yeah...
<A Denis Sheahan Independent Bank Corp. (Massachusetts)>: The answer is, is the
tangible book value Laurie, each situation has its own merits, but we get concerned about
tangible book value dilution thats as much as well say on it.
<A Chris Oddleifson Independent Bank Corp. (Massachusetts)>: Yeah sort of earned sort
of how much is, it and how much do you earn it back whens the cost over point, etcetera. I mean, I
think weve shown that we were really sort of shareholder friendly here and were although were
not going to do anything its going to have there be adversely viewed in the marketplace.
<Q Laurie Hunsicker Stifel, Nicolaus & Co., Inc.>: Okay.
<A Chris Oddleifson Independent Bank Corp. (Massachusetts)>: Shareholders.
<Q Laurie Hunsicker Stifel, Nicolaus & Co., Inc.>: Okay great thank you guys.
<A Chris Oddleifson Independent Bank Corp. (Massachusetts)>: Yeah thanks, Laurie.
Operator: And showing no further questions in the queue. I would now like to end the questionand-
answer session.
Chris Oddleifson, President, Chief Executive Officer & Director
Great, thank you very much we look forward to talking everybody in January and have a good
several months.
Denis K. Sheahan, Chief Financial Officer & Treasurer
Thank you.
Chris Oddleifson, President, Chief Executive Officer & Director
Bye.
Operator: The conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending todays presentation. You
may now disconnect.
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