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Exhibit 99.3
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LNCE Q4 2010 Lance, Inc. Earnings Conference Call
Event Date/Time: Feb. 18. 2011 / 2:00PM GMT
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CORPORATE PARTICIPANTS
Mark Carter
Snyders-Lance, Inc. VP Strategic Initiatives & IR
Carl Lee
Snyders-Lance, Inc. President & COO
Rick Puckett
Snyders-Lance, Inc. EVP, CFO, Treasurer & Secretary
David Singer
Snyders-Lance, Inc. President & CEO
CONFERENCE CALL PARTICIPANTS
Ed Aaron
RBC Capital Markets Analyst
Mike Otway
Jefferies & Co. Analyst
Mitchell Pinheiro
Janney Montgomery Scott Analyst
Scott Van Winkle
Canaccord Genuity Analyst
Akshay Jagdale
KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc. Analyst
Heather Jones
Canadian Capital Market Analyst
PRESENTATION
Operator
Good morning. My name is Sara and I will be your conference operator today. At this time I would
like to welcome everyone to the Snyders-Lance Fourth Quarter Earnings call. All lines have been
placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers remarks there will be a
question-and-answer session. (Operator Instructions) I would now like to turn the call over to Mr.
Mark Carter, VP of Investor Relations. Mr. Carter, you may begin.
Mark Carter Snyders-Lance, Inc. VP Strategic Initiatives & IR
Thank you, Sara, and good morning, everyone. With me today are Dave Singer, Chief Executive
Officer, Carl Lee, President and Chief Operating Officer, as well as Rick Puckett, Executive Vice
President and Chief Financial Officer of Snyders-Lance Incorporated. In todays call Dave, Carl
and Rick will discuss our 2010 full year and fourth quarter results, as well as the recent merger
of Snyders of Hanover Inc. and Lance Incorporated. As a reminder we are webcasting this conference
call, including the supporting slide presentation on our website at www.LanceInc.com. Before we
begin, I would like to point out that during todays presentation, management may make
forward-looking statements about our Companys performance. Please refer to the Safe Harbor
language included in each of our presentations.
Ill now turn the call over to Dave Singer, Chief Executive Officer, to begin managements
comments.
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David Singer Snyders-Lance, Inc. President & CEO
Thanks, Mark. Well, good morning and welcome. This is the first call of the merged Company and
were excited to have completed the merger in the fourth quarter. We look forward to providing
integration progress updates as we move through 2011. As indicated in the press release earlier
this morning, were not providing specific top-line or earnings guidance for 2011 at this time, but
we will be providing sufficient detail to support the development of projection models. Were
extremely excited about the prospects of the merged companies and were even more confident of
benefits that we initially anticipated from the merger. Well provide more detail on the expected
synergies today.
Keep in mind were still very early into the integration process but its going great and I want to
acknowledge the Snyders-Lance teams that are working so diligently to get the integration
completed. Much planning and implementation has already been started and we are well down the road
in the process. The rescheduling of our call from last week to today related to our merger, which
closed on December 6th. It took longer than we anticipated to develop the initial valuations for
the opening balance sheet, to consolidate all the information from multiple systems and for our
internal accountants and external auditors to review our financial information. Were here today to
review our fourth quarter and 2010 results, as well as provide a perspective on future.
Clearly, the merger Snyders of Hanover to create Snyders-Lance, Inc. was the highlight of our
quarter and significantly changes the future trajectory of both companies. In addition to the $3.75
special dividend, which represented a 15% to 20% cash return, our shares now reflect an even
brighter future with the benefits of the combined Company. Our financial position is sound,
evidenced by the modest financial leverage and expectations for stronger free cash flow. Our brand
portfolio has been significantly enhanced with the addition of the number one pretzel brand in the
world. We now have distribution a distribution network that spans the entire US with nearly
triple the number of routes.
We have an even stronger management team and our already-strong Board has been enhanced with the
addition of the former Snyders Board members bringing the long history of snack food experience.
Weve developed our plans to integrate the companies and to deliver the benefits we projected and
Im confident that we have a team in place to effectively execute. As you will hear today, once
weve completed our integration we anticipate accelerated growth, wider profit margins and better
asset productivity to deliver improved returns. Although were excited about the merger, were
disappointed in our fourth quarter operating results. We fell well short of our revenue and
earnings expectations. There were several factors behind this shortfall and our CFO Rick Puckett
will provide some detail.
But the key issue was weak top-line performance. Although there were significant distractions
related to the merger, and specifically within our sales organization, the simple truth is we did
not execute well and we failed to deliver the growth we planned. In fact, our sales were below
prior year by about 3% on an apples-to-apples basis. By the beginning of January we had announced
our leadership structure in the sales organization. I have tremendous confidence that under this
team led by Carl Lee, our new President and Chief Operating Officer, we have the talent and
experience to support our integration and execute our day-to-day sales initiatives. Based on the
revenue trends for our first period of 2011, my confidence seems well placed, as we delivered sales
gains in January.
As we consider our priorities for 2011, the integration of Lance and Snyders is front and center.
We announced yesterday our decision to move to a common DSD system by converting Company-owned
routes to an independent operator model. This conversion is the most complex and important
component of our integration. We anticipate several key benefits as we consolidate our systems,
including accelerated growth, wider margins and greater asset productivity, which Carl will discuss
in more detail. Carl successfully led in an independent operator environment and has significant
experience executing consolidation of route systems, including conversions from a company-owned to
an independent operator model.
Although we were quite disappointed with our fourth quarter operating results, I am confident that
were positioned for a very bright future once we complete our integration. 2011 will be a
challenging year. Our organization will experience significant changes as we execute our
integration plan. All three companies will be impacted by the rapidly-escalating commodity
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environment and high unemployment rate, which poses challenges to pricing and promotional
strategy and pressures profit margins for everyone. However, I have tremendous confidence in our
new team, our strong brand and the benefits that will flow from our merger. We are positioned
better today than ever to compete and win.
Id like to now introduce Carl Lee, our President and Chief Operating Officer. Carl will provide
insight into our integration plans and expectations. Hell also provide more details about the DSD
consolidation and conversion to the independent operator model. Carl?
Carl Lee Snyders-Lance, Inc. President & COO
Good morning, everyone. This is Carl and Im its my privilege to join you and to get a chance
to talk about all the exciting things that we have here with our new merger the chance to
leverage our broader portfolio of products, our expanded DSD system, and overall larger scale to
bring value to our shareholders and to our customers. As far as Dave mentioned, getting into some
of the details of the integration planning and overview, our sales organization at the very senior
levels have very talented and proven leaders leading our organization. Our sales leaders are
actually general managers with responsibility for both the P&L and sales growth. I have confidence
that this team is positioned to execute extremely well in serving our customers, employees and
shareholders. We are also blessed to have great leaders in place across all of our functions,
focused on delivering their numbers and integrating our two companies.
Now with regards to the synergies and being more specific about four areas, in regards to
purchasing, logistics, G&A and DSD. Beginning with purchasing, our combined teams have carefully
analyzed all of our spending on commodities, packagings, as well as goods and services, and they
have built a detailed action plan to capture significant savings by leveraging our larger scale.
While we are already beginning to see some small savings flow into our P&L, the majority of
improvements will come through the second half of this year and into 2012.
In regards to logistics, we are anticipating savings in transportation, as we have the opportunity
to combine operations and develop more efficient warehousing and shipping protocols and operations.
In regards to G&A and overhead, weve already realized some significant savings on G&A and we
expect to see more as we spread the cost of administration across our much larger business and
sales base. And lastly, our DSD system by combining our DSD organizations we expect to see
significant savings in operating costs, overhead expenses, and improved store-level service,
generating both cost savings, but also, very important, incremental volume growth.
Now lets dig a little deeper into the overall anticipated savings from our integration efforts. We
anticipate savings in these areas where well begin to yield between 200 and 250 basis points in
improved margin once were fully integrated, and we expect another 50 basis points improvement as
we begin to operate our DSD system to sell more products through our organization, and that will
come over the next 18 months.
In regards to the integration calendar itself, as Ive said, some cost savings and synergies will
begin to come in immediately. However, the majority of the savings will be apparent later this
year, as we begin to really deep we really get into our DSD execution and integration, executing
our purchasing plans and implementing changes to our warehouse and shipping network. Each of our
function leaders have detailed timelines with milestones and accountabilities for them to deliver
on schedule. Our talented teams have been through this before and are certainly ready to handle our
integration process.
Now, as I cover a little bit more about our DSD conversion to an independent operator system, the
benefits of this system and its organizational change is very clear. Theres benefits for the
Company and theres benefits for the employees as they convert to an IO structure. First of all,
combining our DSD operation will drive higher weekly store sales, therefore larger drop sizes and
most importantly, fewer stores per route. Therefore, there will be more time to sell, creating a
benefit for both the IOs and our Company. From the Companys perspective, the IO system is less
capital intense, delivers better margins and therefore, will drive higher returns. From the
independent operators perspective, growth drives their income and an increased equity value
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for their route. Our IO system will clearly improve retail execution, sales growth and help us
control expenses, creating a win for our new IOs, as well as our retail customers.
Now lets cover risk for a second. Obviously, with a change this size and of this magnitude theres
always risks, but we have anticipated them and weve been planning for them. The conversion will
take as much as 18 months. Furthermore, almost 70% of our routes will be impacted as we begin to
re-engineer our markets and make that gradual conversion over to independent operators. This may be
disrupted for the salesperson involved; however, well manage it very carefully and have
anticipated the possible changes and issues. We have a very experienced team in place to manage
this process and our leaders are certainly up to the task and have carefully planned out this
conversion step by step.
Now, reasons for my confidence, Snyders has been involved in over 20 acquisitions of this such
where weve gone in and had to basically rebuild the distribution model and in many cases have to
convert from company routes to independent operators. In each case, after the conversion we have
seen an accelerated growth and many benefits for both the IOs and the customers. Another reason Im
confident is the quality of people we have running our sales organization. Whether they are from
the former Lance organization or the former Snyders organization, we have folks in place with good
quality sales skills, leadership skills and the ability to really drive very important change,
while we run the day-to-day business and operate carefully.
Now if I may switch gears and talk a little bit about commodities, another important topic thats
on top of most peoples minds. We have a simple plan here, the best way to manage commodities is to
do it carefully and monitor it day by day and plan accordingly. As a result, we have a simple
three-step model that we use to manage commodities. First of all is to buy carefully and buy
forward, second is to implement pricing actions as needed and quickly, and number three,
continuously monitor commodity prices and our competition. In regards to these three steps heres
where we stand. We buy forward on all of our major commodities, averaging about two quarters out on
all of the key ingredients. Furthermore, we quickly take action on pricing adjustments as needed,
having already sold in major moves both in January and February of this year. And finally, now that
prices have continued to escalate we are finalizing our plans for the balance of the year and will
take the appropriate action necessary to manage the increased commodity cost.
With that overview Im now going to turn it over to Rick Puckett, our CFO.
Rick Puckett Snyders-Lance, Inc. EVP, CFO, Treasurer & Secretary
Thanks, Carl, and good morning, everyone. First of all I wanted to provide some key highlights on
the quarter for our understanding. The merger (inaudible) with Snyders of Hanover was completed on
December 6, 2010. The fiscal year of 2010 ended on January 1, 2011, which added an extra week into
the year, as we had previously communicated. The financial statements published this morning as
part of our press release included the results from Snyders from the date of the merger through
January 1, 2011.
The fourth quarter included significant special items, primarily related to the merger. Actually a
total of $27.5 million of after-tax expenses were recorded. These after-tax expenses were in the
areas of change-in-control payments, transactions costs, severance costs, as well as a liquidation
of a previous insurance carrier,. This related to Kemper Insurance, which went into liquidation,
which has forced us to resume payments on outstanding claims from 1981 through 1993. In addition,
although not a special item, there were a there was a fairly significant bankruptcy which cost
us $0.02 a share in the quarter.
For the quarter, Snyders was neither accretive or dilutive. The benefits coming from the net
income generated by Snyders was offset by the increase in shares. Balance sheet includes purchase
accounting adjustments, so significant changes on the balance sheet would be apparent as you look
at that in the press release. In connection with the special dividend and the change in control,
the existing credit facility was also amended and extended during the fourth quarter. The credit
facility was increased to $265 million and extended through December 2015. At the same time weve
strengthened our entire bank group and net
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debt was at about $257 million at the end of the year, resulting in a leverage of a respectful 1.6
times EBITDA. All of the existing term loans were also left in place.
If we turn to the fourth quarter revenue summary you will see that we have separated Lance branded,
Lance non-branded and the Snyders contribution, so excluding the extra week, the fourth quarter
gross revenue for Lance only was down 1%. So volume was down about 1% versus last year for Lance
only. This was driven primarily by the non-branded and DSD-branded sides of the business. Trade was
actually up 20% versus last year, although down versus third quarter. So as a total, net revenue
was down 2.6% versus last year, as Dave mentioned before, and the lower trade spend in the fourth
quarter relative to the third quarter drove some of the branded softness as we pulled back on trade
a bit in the fourth quarter. In addition, as Dave mentioned, sales execution was less than desired
in the fourth quarter.
If we turn to the next page, the fourth quarter financial summary, the net revenue excluding
Snyders and the extra week was $225.2 million for the quarter versus last year of $231.1 million,
or down 2.6%, as I mentioned a few minutes ago. Gross margin was down 300 basis points. Now this
was driven by higher promotional spend of about 205 basis points, but also the lower volume
leverage that we mentioned a few minutes ago and, in fact, the mix of lower gross margin in
Snyders business. I will speak to this more in a few minutes.
SG&A expenses were down 140 basis points, driven primarily by the lower DSD cost as a result of DSD
transformation. Operating profit of 6% was down 150 basis points, primarily driven by the lower
volume of sales again. So therefore, delarded sorry, diluted earnings per share of $0.23 was
down due to the volume. It was also impacted by the $0.02 I mentioned a few minutes ago as it
relates to the bankruptcy. Benefit of the Snyders net income was offset by the incremental shares
issued as a result of the merger. The total weighted average shares for the quarter was 40.2
million shares.
Now lets look at the full-year revenue summary. In total, excluding the extra week, the full-year
gross revenue for Lance only was up 2.4% versus last year, again, thats volume. Trade was up
approximately 30% versus last year, resulting in a net revenue of only up 0.2% versus last year. If
we look at some of the key highlights, net revenue excluding Snyders and the extra week was $919.9
million, only up two-tenths of a percent, as I just mentioned.
Gross margin was down 110 basis points, primarily driven by higher promotional spend of 190 basis
points and a lower volume that we mentioned. This was offset to some degree by more favorable
commodities between 2009 and 2010. The SG&A expenses were down 100 basis points, again primarily
driven by the DSD transformation exercise, and operating profit of 6.4% was essentially the same as
last year, as was diluted earnings per share. The total weighted average shares for the year was
34.1 million diluted shares, and thats what you see on the financial statements attached to the
press release.
Lets look at the cash flow items for a moment. This page does not separate special items or the
additional week, as its very difficult to do that in a cash flow. However, it just as an
approximation, the free cash flow before dividends would be at least $25 million higher than were
showing on this page if we were to back out special items. Again, the special dividend that was
paid, the $3.75, actually equated to $122 million in the quarter, so what you see on this page
excludes that special dividend, but there is a footnote.
What Id like to do now is to establish a foundation for building models and projecting the
combined company going forward. So as such, Ive provided some 2010 pro forma facts, if you will,
for the Snyders-Lance and including Snyders for a full year and excluding synergies, so theres
no synergies built into these factors. Therefore, on a pro forma basis, total net revenue would be
approximately $1.58 billion for 2010. Total gross profit would be about 36.5% to 37%. You will note
that this is lower than our normal 39.5% to 40% that Lance only has been running. The IO model
results in a lower gross margin than an employee-based model. Ill provide a bit more guidance on
this in a few minutes. Total operating profit was just over 6% for the year, EBITDA was just over
10% for the year. The total diluted share count would be about 68 million shares, and then capital
expenditures of approximately 4% of net revenue.
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Now lets turn to some insights for 2011 and 2012. As weve said, 2011 will be a year of
integration, with a lot of exciting opportunities ahead of us. And as Dave and Carl have mentioned,
synergies from the integration are being planned and implemented today. We expect that full
synergies will be accomplished during 2012. We also expect that approximately 30% of these
synergies will be realized this year, but in the back half of this year. Carl mentioned that some
have been already put into place as it relates to G&A. Those are relatively small in terms of the
total picture, but still significant in terms of the total activities that were planning.
As Carl mentioned also, the full cost and revenue synergies are expected to add 250 to 300 basis
points to operating income. Revenue synergies, along with organic growth through innovation, brand
support and distribution should deliver growth in excess of 5% before deducting for the IO
conversion and SKU rationalizations. A reduction in revenue will occur as IOs are converted to
recognize the margin at the IO level of approximately 20%. This will relate to about an $80 million
to $90 million top-line reduction even though the bottom line will be improved, so its an
important note as we think about modeling out revenue as we go forward. As we more specifically
identify the integration timeline that Carl spoke to and as we move through 2011, we will update
these expectations.
Lets talk about cash flow for a moment because we start out with a current net debt of $257
million, or a leverage of about 1.6 times EBITDA. However, theres some one-time cash benefits that
will occur over the next several months as we complete the integration. First of all, the resulting
expenses for the merger or from merger will result in a tax loss carry-back, providing
approximately $20 million in tax savings. This will be realized over the course of 2011 and also in
the first quarter or so of 2012. The decision to go into an IO will result in a cash inflow of
approximately $40 million to $50 million over the next two years, as we sell employee-based routes
to independent operators. This, again, will commence in the second half of 2011. In addition to
this, we do not expect to change our current dividend of $0.16 per share in the near term. Capital
expenditures in the near term are also expected to be around 4% of net revenues.
So with these facts, I will now turn it over to Sara to field some questions.
QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS
Operator
(Operator Instructions)Your first question comes from the line of Ed Aaron from RBC Capital
Markets. Your line is open.
Ed Aaron RBC Capital Markets Analyst
Hi, great.
Good morning and thanks for taking the question. Im sorry. I just wanted to maybe start
with your longer-term margin outlook, which looks like its about 8.5% to 9% at the operating
margin level. Now I kind of wouldve thought when you announced the acquisition that over time you
would be targeted something in excess of that. Has to what extent have your views on long-term
margin objectives maybe changed over the past six months as youve gone through this process?
David Singer Snyders-Lance, Inc. President & CEO
I dont think weve had much of a change in our margin expectations. Weve never really announced a
specific number. I think over time, as we grow the business and leverage the infrastructure, we
would we have higher targets than the range you mentioned but in the near term, when we were
working through this integration and getting through the end of 2012, this is what we expect.
However, we do have targets longer term, as our mix improves and we grow our business and leverage
our infrastructure, for higher numbers than this.
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Ed Aaron RBC Capital Markets Analyst
Okay, and then on the I dont have a perfect feel for exactly how the DSD conversion actually
works. As you think about trying to realize some sales synergies with these with the
acquisition, should we be thinking about that as something that as unlikely to happen until you get
the through DSD conversion process in 18 months or so?
David Singer Snyders-Lance, Inc. President & CEO
We will be capturing some general synergies in the interim. More will come later, but we have got a
plan in place, as Carl mentioned, by very specific channels and geographies to attack sales
synergies. But some of more of it will come later than it will early.
Ed Aaron RBC Capital Markets Analyst
Okay, and then just one more and then Ill pass it on. But the $80 million to $90 million top-line
reduction for the conversion, how should we think about the cadence of that in terms of the rate at
which those the sales will come down on that? And then also, any early thoughts on what the
potential impact from the SKU rationalization might be? Thanks.
David Singer Snyders-Lance, Inc. President & CEO
I think when we look at that and Ill let Rick and Carl speak to this, too. When we look at that
$80 million to $90 million that really flows in as we integrate and convert. The conversion will
take place in earnest, really starting in the second half of this year. Some will occur earlier,
but much more of it happens during the second half. I think and Rick probably has the specifics
on the percentages of our current expectation. Rick, whats the timeframe in terms of roll out of
that?
Rick Puckett Snyders-Lance, Inc. EVP, CFO, Treasurer & Secretary
Well the current timeframe, as I mentioned, doesnt start until the third quarter of this year, and
I believe the calendar is pretty straight lined between there and sort of the mid-2012 timeframe,
Ed. So I think I would probably just kind of use that 12-month period and sort of straight-line it
at this point. Now well provide better guidance after the first quarter, and as were into this to
make sure that were still on that timeline, but thats pretty close.
David Singer Snyders-Lance, Inc. President & CEO
And then your second question, Ed, was related to SKU rationalization. What were in process of
doing is developing a perspective on SKU rationalization. Theres been a lot of work thats been
done. We anticipate therell be some reduction in sales, but on the other hand, my experience has
been SKU rationalization tends to feel like its going to reduce your sales, but you end up having
more space for the higher-volume items and they tend to offset some of the SKU rationalization.
We mention it because, when we first put together our plan its hard to feel comfortable that
youre going to cover all of those, but frankly, my experience is that you tend to cover those with
more sales of your major products. So at this point we dont have any guidance specifically related
to that.
Ed Aaron RBC Capital Markets Analyst
Thank you.
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Operator
Your next question comes from the line of Heather Jones from Canadian Capital Market. Your line is
open.
Heather Jones Canadian Capital Market Analyst
Good morning.
David Singer Snyders-Lance, Inc. President & CEO
Morning, Heather.
Heather Jones Canadian Capital Market Analyst
Good morning. Have a number of detailish questions and a broader question. Did you say that legacy
Lance brand volumes were down 1% for Q4, did I hear that correctly?
Rick Puckett Snyders-Lance, Inc. EVP, CFO, Treasurer & Secretary
Thats correct.
Heather Jones Canadian Capital Market Analyst
Okay. And what did volumes do in the private label business or non-branded?
Rick Puckett Snyders-Lance, Inc. EVP, CFO, Treasurer & Secretary
I havent provided that, Heather, but certainly there was a fair amount of equal contribution
between branded and non-branded in that.
Heather Jones Canadian Capital Market Analyst
So 1% is for the whole legacy Lance business, that wasnt just a brands comment?
Rick Puckett Snyders-Lance, Inc. EVP, CFO, Treasurer & Secretary
Thats correct.
Heather Jones Canadian Capital Market Analyst
Okay. And Snyders sales were flat year on year, they had been growing at a nice clip, I thought.
What happened during Q4?
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David Singer Snyders-Lance, Inc. President & CEO
Well, I think some of the issues and Ill let Carl speak to this, but I think some of the issues
that hit the Lance business hit the Snyders business. There was this merger is a big deal.
There was a lot of flux in the sales organization and that was impactful. There was some more
detail issues behind it, but Ill let Carl speak to that, but thats Im sure that that had some
impact.
Carl Lee Snyders-Lance, Inc. President & COO
Good morning, Heather, this is Carl
Heather Jones Canadian Capital Market Analyst
Good morning.
Carl Lee Snyders-Lance, Inc. President & COO
and thanks for your question. I think theres two points to make. Number one, we did have
positive sales growth. However, to your point it wasnt in keeping what we have seen traditionally
and there were two key reasons. Number one, there was a little bit of distraction because of the
planned merger and the anticipation that there would be changes in the sales organization on both
the Lance side and Snyders side. So while it was managed carefully, its always a little bit
disrupted.
And then the second thing, which I think was very important, is back in Q3 we started managing our
promotional spending much more carefully than we ever had before. So weve been really monitoring
the return on our promotions and managing that very carefully and with that we anticipated some
improvements on reduced promotional spending and as a result, there may be a little bit of a volume
fall off. So I think those are the two key reasons why we saw what we did with our sales numbers.
Rick Puckett Snyders-Lance, Inc. EVP, CFO, Treasurer & Secretary
And, Heather, I just want to reiterate that the Snyders numbers in our financials are only from
December 6, so not for a full quarter. And I know you understand that but I just needed to
Heather Jones Canadian Capital Market Analyst
So when it says 48 or what I cant even remember what the number. It said flat year on year or
not meaningful, youre just your not pro forma the sales for the whole quarter.
Rick Puckett Snyders-Lance, Inc. EVP, CFO, Treasurer & Secretary
Thats correct.
Heather Jones Canadian Capital Market Analyst
Okay.
Rick Puckett Snyders-Lance, Inc. EVP, CFO, Treasurer & Secretary
That is correct, that is correct.
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Heather Jones Canadian Capital Market Analyst
Okay. And looking to 2011 and I completely understand why youre not wanting to give guidance,
but setting aside the disruption of the integration, but just looking at the competitive
environment, we understand that one of your larger competitors has become much more aggressive in
certain markets. They have used the term that they would be judicious in taking price increases.
So, wondering if you could give us some qualitative color on what youre expecting, just in the
competitive environment, and how thats going to impact your ability to raise prices enough to
cover higher costs?
Carl Lee Snyders-Lance, Inc. President & COO
Heather, this is Carl, if I can make that a stab at the question. I think number one, were
watching commodities as closely as ever and actually more detailed than ever. So we know exactly
what were anticipating as far as whats going to flow into our P&L almost day by day from an
increased commodity cost. We are bought out and thats going to be helpful, but we also have been
planning aggressively on pricing actions that were needed.
As I mentioned, there were some pricing actions taken in January, some additional pricing actions
taken in February, and we are building and finalizing our plans based on what we anticipate
commodities to look like in Q3 and Q4 this year. So, so far weve been able to implement all the
plans that we were counting on and right now we anticipate to continue to do that through the
balance of the year.
Heather Jones Canadian Capital Market Analyst
I mean do you I think clearly youre out there in the marketplace, so based upon what youre
seeing from your competitors, do you believe that youre going to be able to maybe theres a
lag, but on an annualized run-rate basis, are you planning to fully offset the cost pressures with
price, or are you relying on other cost savings to help offset that?
Carl Lee Snyders-Lance, Inc. President & COO
Were relying to push as much pricing out there as we can and the expectation is that that will
cover the vast majority of any commodity risk weve got. And again, were monitoring it day by day
and weve been pushing out the pricing, and so far weve been successful in getting it in. We
expect our competition to continue to do the same, and as weve seen they have not been bashful
about pricing and so far its been accepted by the trade.
Heather Jones Canadian Capital Market Analyst
Okay. And then finally on your longer term, well I guess through the end of 2012 EBIT margin
guidance, I think I heard you say that about 50-basis points of that 200 to 300 is going to be
related to converting to the IO model. Is that number small because the conversion really wont
have been in place that long and you need to build leverage on the routes, because I would have
expected a larger benefit?
David Singer Snyders-Lance, Inc. President & CEO
Yes, Heather. Heather, thats you misheard the way it was described. Its 250 to 300, of which
about 50-basis points relates to the leverage from sales growth. In the 250 to 300, the integration
is in there, so there is much more than 50-basis points from the conversion. Its not just that
50-basis points. That 50-basis points really comes from the operating leverage in a high fixed-cost
system from sales growth.
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Rick Puckett Snyders-Lance, Inc. EVP, CFO, Treasurer & Secretary
Yes, it is really generated from being able to expand the Lance products geographically, as well as
expand the Snyders products from a channel perspective.
David Singer Snyders-Lance, Inc. President & CEO
And as well its just the growth we anticipate between now and 2012.
Heather Jones Canadian Capital Market Analyst
So the vast majority of this 200 to 300, should we interpret that the majority of that is going to
be related to synergies, savings, et cetera, related to distribution as opposed to production, et
cetera?
David Singer Snyders-Lance, Inc. President & CEO
That comes from the laundry list of things that Carl bucketed. It comes from purchasing; it comes
logistics; it comes from DSD as well as G&A. We dont have a lot of production synergies built into
this. We anticipate were going to continue to drive down our cost of production through a variety
of manners, but not synergy related from the integration. So those are where the four buckets,
and its not all distribution.
Heather Jones Canadian Capital Market Analyst
Okay, and finally before I pass it on, looking beyond 2012, you said you have higher targets in
mind, is that driven by any savings or is that driven by your belief that youre going to have
stronger sales growth rate thus youll be leverage your (inaudible) and that should help margin?
David Singer Snyders-Lance, Inc. President & CEO
It really is. Its a function of a couple of things. We believe that the way we operate our
business can be more efficient and were working hard on making it more efficient. Some of that
efficiency come through better methods, but a lot of it comes through a better mix. We anticipate
our higher-margin prof items growing faster than other items, and we just anticipate growth
drives leverage on a fixed operating business.
Heather Jones Canadian Capital Market Analyst
Okay. Thank you very much.
Operator
Your next question comes from the line of Akshay Jagdale from KeyBanc. Your line is open.
Akshay Jagdale KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc. Analyst
Good morning, thanks for taking the question. My first one just Im curious to know, Carl, how
youre going to complete the transformation to an IO in 12 to 18 months? And the reason I ask that
is, because some of the other companies that we follow
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who have tried this conversion and granted, its been in a different category, its taking them a
lot longer than one or 1.5 years. Its taken them five, six, seven, eight years and some of them
have not been able to do it successfully. So I just want to get your perspective on why you think
youll be able to complete the conversion in what I think is a short period of time?
Carl Lee Snyders-Lance, Inc. President & COO
Thank you for the question and thats a very good question. First of all, I think that what gives
me personal confidence is two things. Number one, if you look at our almost 300 routes that we have
today, 1,600 of those are already independent operators, theyre already equity routes, so over the
majority of our routes are already independent operators. So weve got an experienced team thats
been operating those and managing and supporting those routes for a very, very long time. So, that
is the first point.
Second point is, weve been involved in expanding our DSD system over the past five years and have
acquired and merged in a number of large operations and a large number of those were also Company
routes that weve already converted to independent operators. So I would think number one its the
fact that we are currently operating independent operators gives us an advantage. And then number
two, we have got tremendous experience with these conversions already under belt. So with that
weve been able to build a very detailed time line market by market, day by day on how we implement
this transition, and it clearly shows that we can deliver what we have promised on the 18 months.
David Singer Snyders-Lance, Inc. President & CEO
Although Carls modest. He has been involved in a lot of conversions, very successful conversions,
and when you look at this one, although its extremely large and were looking at well over 1,200
company-owned routes between the two systems that will convert over the next 18 months, theyll be
done in bite-size pieces. None of the bite-size pieces are any larger than some of the deals that
they have been invol that Carls been involved in historically.
So Ive seen the process of putting together an extremely good timeline. The team thatll work on
it is experienced. Weve already announced them and think theres an initial level of excitement,
although theres certainly anxiousness about the conversion and the fact that its going to take
some time. But I can tell you that theres an extremely good process behind this that really lays
out for 18 months.
Akshay Jagdale KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc. Analyst
Thats helpful, just a follow up on that same topic. So, again we are not as close to the DSD
network as you are, so Im just trying to get inside somehow why this conversion would be a good
conversion for somebody who runs a company-owned route. So can you just help me understand what
youre saying to the operators of their Company-owned routes right now and what this pitch is to
them and why they would be incentivized to convert to an IO versus a Company-owned system?
Carl Lee Snyders-Lance, Inc. President & COO
This is Carl, another very good question. Theres two key reasons why if Im out today working on a
Company route why I would be interested in converting to an IO structure. The first is, by them
being able to run their route very efficiently and very effectively and each ones a little
different but what we typically see is that they have higher take-home pay by running an IO
route. And then number two, they have the chance to build up equity by owning their route.
So theres two clear reasons, both financial, as to why its better for them to be an IO operator
versus a Company-owned route. And then what we see on a Company side is we see very talented, very
aggressive individuals who have more at stake and are willing to work harder and really drive great
results for themselves and as a result for the Company. So experience indicates
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that it is a smooth transition, theres incentives for the associate to make the transition, and
then theres obviously benefits for the Company once we make the conversion.
Akshay Jagdale KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc. Analyst
Okay, thats helpful. One last one on organic sales growth prospects that you talked about being 5%
or in excess of that. Can you just help me reconcile that with what your advertising spend, or just
overall, however you think of investments into organic growth? I mean help us quantify some of that
or understand why when you combine two companies such as yourselves who one of which has declining
sales that youre going to be able to accelerate the sales growth? Presumably that would mean that
youre going to invest incrementally, but can you help us with investments that are going to go
into the organic growth?
David Singer Snyders-Lance, Inc. President & CEO
Were not we dont provide the specific details about the level of investments, but our plans do
call for an increase in those type of investments. On top of which, by broadening our distribution
and bringing Lance brands to cross into routes that they historically have not been distributed on,
bringing Snyders brand down into channels and routes in which theyve historically not been
distributed, those things will provide some benefits to us. And the combination of those, as well
as taking brands that had historically not had the strength of the network from distribution that
we currently have, innovation we expect to be much more efficient. So those are real three key
things that we expect to help drive the growth.
Akshay Jagdale KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc. Analyst
Okay, great. I will pass it along.
Operator
Your next question comes from the line of Scott Mushkin from Jefferies & Company. Your line is
open.
Mike Otway Jefferies & Co. Analyst
Hi. Good morning. This is actually Mike Otway in for Scott. I just wanted to follow up on one of
the IO questions earlier, and I think you mentioned that they would be done in kind of smaller
bite-size pieces. Just for my own benefit, is that something that would be pretty evenly spread out
across the 12 to 18 months, or is it more beneficial or would it be more weighted towards the back
half? Could you give a little more color?
David Singer Snyders-Lance, Inc. President & CEO
Yes, one of things to an earlier question, I think Aaron had asked about the timing, Rick had
mentioned that we expect that this will almost straight line between July 1 of this year and July
1 of next year, although some will take place before that, but well be gearing up and getting
prepared and the conversions will really kind of almost straight line between July and July.
Mike Otway Jefferies & Co. Analyst
Okay, perfect. Thank you very much.
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Operator
Your next question comes from the line of Mitchell Pinheiro from Janney Capital Markets. Your line
is open.
Mitchell Pinheiro Janney Montgomery Scott Analyst
Yes, hey. Good morning, everyone. A couple questions for you. So just a couple of things on the IO
conversion. Youre converting 1,200 of how many routes in total?
Carl Lee Snyders-Lance, Inc. President & COO
This is Carl. Were converting all of the remaining Company routes that we have with Lance and a
few remaining Company routes that we have with Snyders.
Mitchell Pinheiro Janney Montgomery Scott Analyst
How many is that?
Carl Lee Snyders-Lance, Inc. President & COO
And once we implement the we have roughly about 1,350.
Mitchell Pinheiro Janney Montgomery Scott Analyst
1,350
Carl Lee Snyders-Lance, Inc. President & COO
Combined between the two organizations.
Mitchell Pinheiro Janney Montgomery Scott Analyst
Okay, and thats total routes? And how many of those are being converted?
Carl Lee Snyders-Lance, Inc. President & COO
No, no, 1,350 is the number of Company-owned routes
Mitchell Pinheiro Janney Montgomery Scott Analyst
Okay.
Carl Lee Snyders-Lance, Inc. President & COO
and we have about 1,900 independent operators currently.
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Mitchell Pinheiro Janney Montgomery Scott Analyst
Thank you.
Carl Lee Snyders-Lance, Inc. President & COO
And as we merge those were converting therell be no Company-own routes, if were effective
when were done.
Mitchell Pinheiro Janney Montgomery Scott Analyst
So you have about 3,300 routes now, correct?
Rick Puckett Snyders-Lance, Inc. EVP, CFO, Treasurer & Secretary
Its actually about 3,000, Mitch. So theres 1,900 starting out that Snyders-based, theres 1,100
starting out as Lance-based routes. All of the Lance-based routes are employee owned and some
portion of the Snyders routes are employee owned.
Mitchell Pinheiro Janney Montgomery Scott Analyst
Okay. So youll be youll take these owner operators, youll theyll have a chance to buy
these routes at some multiple of weekly sales. Is that a standard weekly ten to 15 times, is that
about what is that how its going to work?
David Singer Snyders-Lance, Inc. President & CEO
Well, weve not announced a specific multiple. The multiple will be market based and in some
markets its going to be higher than others
Mitchell Pinheiro Janney Montgomery Scott Analyst
Okay.
David Singer Snyders-Lance, Inc. President & CEO
and we really have not gotten there yet.
Mitchell Pinheiro Janney Montgomery Scott Analyst
Youll provide the financing for the owner/operators?
Rick Puckett Snyders-Lance, Inc. EVP, CFO, Treasurer & Secretary
We do not, because they are independent operators. They will be given a choice of financing it any
way they want. We do have arrangements with companies like Bank of America that provide a program
for them. So well be utilizing that and they can utilize that; as well as theres a program
similar to that that we expect to put into place with M&T Bank.
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Mitchell Pinheiro Janney Montgomery Scott Analyst
Will you be receiving if you are the ones arranging the financing, will you earn any interest
income off of the delta between your financing costs and the financing costs paid by an
owner/operator?
David Singer Snyders-Lance, Inc. President & CEO
At this point we have not developed a program that does anything like that. We want to be
supportive and make sure theres financing available, but weve not developed that at the moment.
Mitchell Pinheiro Janney Montgomery Scott Analyst
Okay. In terms of pricing actions, Carl, you mentioned you took some in January and February. When
I look at the measure channel data, I dont really see anything as of January through January 23rd.
So I was wondering if you could talk about the timing and maybe to some degree what magnitude
youve announced, acknowledging that, I guess, you can promote against those increases?
Carl Lee Snyders-Lance, Inc. President & COO
I think that dealing with your question, the pricing activities that weve taken over this the
past, say, 45 days have been both on the private brand side and the branded side. And so depending
on what youre looking at, you may not be seeing all the data flow through the what youre
measuring it so far. But pricing actions been taken on both, pricing actions been accepted by the
customer, well begin to see that flow through to the P&L, and those were all implemented according
to plan.
Mitchell Pinheiro Janney Montgomery Scott Analyst
What kind so roughly, what would that average be as it impacting either the first or second
quarter?
Carl Lee Snyders-Lance, Inc. President & COO
Im not really comfortable sharing that number as far as the pricing action that weve taken so
far, but it was more than enough to cover the commodity increases that were currently seeing.
Mitchell Pinheiro Janney Montgomery Scott Analyst
Okay. Okay, how about as you think about commodity cost inflation, what type of commodity cost
inflation rate is sort of embedded in your thinking for 2011?
Rick Puckett Snyders-Lance, Inc. EVP, CFO, Treasurer & Secretary
Well as we look at the commodities today, Mitch, I mean as you can see wheats well over $9 a
bushel in the back half of the year, oil is up, corn is up, all the things including sugars, as
well as cocoa, and all those things are up against the norms, and we dont expect those to really
come down very much in the near term based on all of the news in the world. So were putting
pricing measures in place to accommodate those kinds of levels.
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Mitchell Pinheiro Janney Montgomery Scott Analyst
Okay, so all right, so we dont really know what your price inflation your cost inflation is,
either. Is that youre not sharing that?
Rick Puckett Snyders-Lance, Inc. EVP, CFO, Treasurer & Secretary
Well, not at this point because were still pushing that out into the marketplace. So I think post
facto we will give you some information around how much of the sales price or sorry, how much of
the sales gains is related to price, but its difficult to do that ahead of it.
Mitchell Pinheiro Janney Montgomery Scott Analyst
Okay.
Rick Puckett Snyders-Lance, Inc. EVP, CFO, Treasurer & Secretary
Because quite honestly, some of it will happen in the last part of year is the plan, but it
obviously hasnt been sold in yet.
Mitchell Pinheiro Janney Montgomery Scott Analyst
Okay. And so on the last question, is well, actually one housekeeping. Are you going to be
providing historical quarters to us so we can begin to model? I think we saw some we had, I
think, first or second-half numbers you gave when in the initial merger documents, but is there
any historicals that we will see going to quarterly?
Rick Puckett Snyders-Lance, Inc. EVP, CFO, Treasurer & Secretary
No, I mean other than what you might find in the file documents, the 10-K and whatevers required
there. And keep in mind that those are very GAAP-related numbers, and therefore dont exclude
special items. But we have no plans right now of providing historical Snyders numbers.
David Singer Snyders-Lance, Inc. President & CEO
Well, I think his question is on a pro forma basis were going to be providing 2010 full-year
historical pro forma. His question is do we provide quarterly historical performance?
Rick Puckett Snyders-Lance, Inc. EVP, CFO, Treasurer & Secretary
We do not.
Mitchell Pinheiro Janney Montgomery Scott Analyst
Okay. Well, itd be helpful if you did. I mean were not getting any guidance for 10 11, and I
can understand the reason behind that, but itd be certainly helpful to have, ahead of time, ideas
on how your quarters would have flowed, at least so we can its certainly a were in a
position of trying to look at this with major blind spots here, and so thats just my two cents.
The second and final question is just, in terms of SKU rationalization, is there all is there
any SKU rationalization on the Snyders side?
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Carl Lee Snyders-Lance, Inc. President & COO
Yes. Were taking weve gone through a detailed analysis looking at both portfolios of products,
the Lance portfolio and the Snyders portfolio, and as Dave mentioned, were being very careful,
but were looking at the margin contribution; were looking at the sales potential, and were
looking at possible risk if we discontinued items. So very carefully managing that process. But
also to Daves point, we realize theres a number of SKUs that we can pull, making our system more
efficient, without very much revenue risk, but also be able to give more space to our
higher-turning items. So there will be some rationalization on both sides of our portfolio.
Mitchell Pinheiro Janney Montgomery Scott Analyst
Okay. Thank you for your time.
Operator
(Operator Instructions)
And your next questioning comes from the line of Scott Van Winkle from
Canaccord Genuity. Your line is open.
Scott Van Winkle Canaccord Genuity Analyst
Hi. Thanks. A question about the pro forma 2010 as if the Companies were combined, the 6% operating
margin, how much lower was that exiting the year as you ran into the commodity environment?
Carl Lee Snyders-Lance, Inc. President & COO
Yes, certainly the commodity environment really wasnt as much of a driver as it was just a
continued trade promotional pressure, Scott, and the lack of the effectiveness, and that was true
on the Snyders side, as well, as we look back across the year. They certainly had spent much more
on trade promotions in 2010 than they had in 2009. Very similar to what we had done.
So, the other part of this is they have had spent a great deal more on advertising than we did,
and as you know, advertising can add up pretty quickly and it can it could distort a quarterly
comparison if youre not careful. So I wouldnt say the commodities by themselves drove a
significant difference in calendarization that was different than what youve seen on the Lance
side.
Scott Van Winkle Canaccord Genuity Analyst
Okay. But Im just Im thinking of magnitude, was it if you look at the full year for Lance,
you had middle of the year that was probably the most profitable part of the year. Is that similar
for what we would have expected to see from Snyders?
Carl Lee Snyders-Lance, Inc. President & COO
It is and commodities does not impact the pretzel category as much as it does the bakery category.
Its probably 20% of the impact that you would see on the Lance side.
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Scott Van Winkle Canaccord Genuity Analyst
Okay. And Carl, what happens if an employed operator doesnt want to switch to the IO model? There
is what percentage of your transition in the past where youve seen where you werent able to
put an employee into that route as an owner of that route, is it a meaningful percent that dont
make the move?
Carl Lee Snyders-Lance, Inc. President & COO
It varies, really, market by market and it varies individual by individual. Historically weve seen
a very high percentage of the individuals say that they want to convert over to the independent
operator, and we make it as turnkey for them as possible and help them with that transition. We
think, as we look the at the new portfolio that weve got and the great brands that weve got, if
you look at the power of the Lance Sandwich Crackers, the power of the Cape Cod brand, the exciting
news that we always have on Snyders, weve got a very exciting group of brands for people to look
at as they consider purchasing their route.
So we think historically the percentages have been in very good shape, we think its going to be
higher this time around. And we were very careful making the announcement to all of our associates
on Wednesday, where we brought them into meetings and had a chance to discuss the plans and the
changes and we saw, as Dave mentioned, a little bit of anxiety as you always would expect for a
change of this magnitude, but on the other hand we saw very positive and very excited individuals
about the opportunity to do this.
Scott Van Winkle Canaccord Genuity Analyst
And you made some comments about performance, obviously, and owner/operators more incented than an
employee. Im wondering if you can measure the change performance pre and post to conversion, and
if youre going to go in with 1,300 conversions to do, how many is on the other side? In other
words, do 1,300 become 1,200 because the average independent operator has more volume than they did
as an employee?
Rick Puckett Snyders-Lance, Inc. EVP, CFO, Treasurer & Secretary
There will be some change in the total number, as we go through this. Its not as much as what you
might expect, because were building in the potential for growth. We want to make sure that we have
enough potential so that the operator can grow his route, and so theres not some huge reduction
from the overall total before and after. There will be some reduction. Weve historically had
attrition, we anticipate attrition to cover the vast majority of that, so a but there is an
expected reduction.
And on the incentive, because the owner/operator has the fixed cost of his route, his margin is
about twice the what a commission rate if for an employee/driver. So that, in fact, when you see
the employee salesperson who is incented to grow his route with a commission, the independent
operator has approximately double the incentive on incremental sales. So that helps drive the
incremental growth.
Carl Lee Snyders-Lance, Inc. President & COO
The real benefit for the individual who is converting over the independent operator status is
theres going to, obviously, be fewer stores per route. Today we have a lot of stores throughout
the south, southeast, even southwest where we have a Lance and a Snyders truck pulling into there
to service those stores. When we go to just a one-truck operation, obviously theres going to be
fewer stores per route, but significant sales increases because theyre covering both lines of
products and therefore fewer stores per route. And with that, the tremendous amount of more time to
sell, which we will see as an increase in revenue.
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David Singer Snyders-Lance, Inc. President & CEO
Just a lot less drive time.
Scott Van Winkle Canaccord Genuity Analyst
Yes. Yes, great. Oh, and then, Rick I missed the part I think you talked about your credit
agreement, did you talk about what interest is going to look like or the rate going forward?
Rick Puckett Snyders-Lance, Inc. EVP, CFO, Treasurer & Secretary
I did not, but its at the time we put it in it was actually a sort of a BBB plus kind of a
rating, so its LIBOR plus somewhere between 125 and 150.
Scott Van Winkle Canaccord Genuity Analyst
Okay. Thank you.
Operator
Your next question comes from the line of Akshay Jagdale from KeyBanc. Your line is open.
Akshay Jagdale KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc. Analyst
Hi, thanks for taking the follow up, just another one on the IO conversion. Im not clear on the
balance sheet impact yet. You talked a little bit about incoming cash flow. I do I believe you
have to capitalize the routes. Can you just help us understand what the balance sheet impact will
be because of the IO conversion, if any?
Carl Lee Snyders-Lance, Inc. President & COO
Well when we talk about capitalizing the routes, the historic Lance balance sheet is the historic
Lance sheet. The bringing in the Snyders balance sheet and doing valuation the vast majority of
the Snyders operations are independent, so were not capitalizing in that system . Theres quite
theres some, but the vast majority are independent, so the routes that are existing in the
Lance system are not on the balance sheet. So when those are converted to IO status, the balance
sheet doesnt shrink, it basically grows from the incoming
Rick Puckett Snyders-Lance, Inc. EVP, CFO, Treasurer & Secretary
Thats true for the Lance routes, not true for the Snyders employee-owned routes and service
routes. But theres a value, Akshay, that was put onto the balance sheet as part of the opening
balance sheet for the value of the equity of those routes on the Snyders side. So, as those are
sold, there will be a reduction on the balance sheet for that and an increase in cash, so and then
very little gain or loss is expected on that, though.
Carl Lee Snyders-Lance, Inc. President & COO
But about 75% of the routes that are sold dont show up on the balance sheet.
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Rick Puckett Snyders-Lance, Inc. EVP, CFO, Treasurer & Secretary
Thats right. Most of the routes that will be sold will be the legacy Lance routes.
Akshay Jagdale KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc. Analyst
Okay. And then just strategically, the way I think of this IO the move to IO is, and please
correct me, if Im wrong, is that now you wont be as driven in your decision making from a volume
perspective, because the utilization of the routes was a key factor for Company-owned routes, but
going to an IO model puts that utilization onus on the IO operators as opposed to you. Is that a
am I reading that correctly? I mean strategically is than an important reason why you decide to go
this way?
Carl Lee Snyders-Lance, Inc. President & COO
Well, its an outcome, its not an important strategic driver. The strategic driver really is to
position ourselves so that we have an incentive system that has a proven track record of growing
more rapidly. If you look at company-owned route systems, generally theyre with companies have
much higher sales per store than the combined Snyders-Lance business. Companies of our size have
historically done better with independent systems, so thats really the driver. We believe that the
independent system will drive more accelerated growth. Now the fact of the matter is, there will be
less operating leverage and it does fall more on the route sales and the IO.
Akshay Jagdale KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc. Analyst
And just one last one. In terms of the DNA profile its about 4% of sales, I believe, which is
higher than most food companies. Can you help us understand what that may look like going forward?
It seems like youre say youre guiding for similar percentage of sales and is there a chance
that that will come down over time? And maybe if you can explain why its higher than 2%, 2.5% for
other food companies that would be helpful?
Rick Puckett Snyders-Lance, Inc. EVP, CFO, Treasurer & Secretary
Yes, I think two responses to that, Akshay. One, I think the norm is closer to 3%, 3.5%, but
nonetheless, we do believe that in terms of supporting our future growth there are a number of
investments wed like to make from an innovation perspective to give us more capability, and those
investments tend to be fairly large chunks of CapEx.
We have certainly put into place systems. We dont expect a lot of IT-related CapEx going forward.
We have good systems on both sides. But we do want to continue to invest in the growth and the
efficiency of our operations. So, in the near term, at least, we have 4% as a target. Do believe
that that will be at least the number for a couple of years, and then after that we will see if we
can bring that down.
Carl Lee Snyders-Lance, Inc. President & COO
My belief is that it will come down as a percentage of sales over time after the initial few years.
That DNA percentage of 4% historic Lance it was all depreciation. In Snyders-Lance a portion of it
is in intangible that are being depreciated and itll be broken out as we look forward. I think
that whatll happen is that our capital spending rate will kind of gravitate back toward our
depreciation component, which I think will bring us down from the 4% over a long period of time.
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Akshay Jagdale KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc. Analyst
Great. Thanks a lot.
Operator
Your next question comes from the line of Heather Jones from Canadian Capital Market. Your line is
open.
Heather Jones Canadian Capital Market Analyst
Thanks for taking the follow up. I just have a question about 2011, because I understand the
hesitancy to provide guidance, but Im also fearful that its basically setting up for a lot of
extreme volatility over the next year, because as mentioned and what was alluded to earlier, were
having to fly blind here. So I guess I would like some commentary.
You noted that on a pro forma basis, I think youve roughly sales of $1.6 billion, EBIT margin of
6%, a third of the synergies realized in the second half of the year. I mean should we be modeling
any margin expansion, or should we be modeling contraction this year because of higher input costs
that maybe lagged by realized pricing. If you could just give us some directional sense, so
honestly I guess to try to narro limit the possibility of extreme variation and estimates out
there?
Rick Puckett Snyders-Lance, Inc. EVP, CFO, Treasurer & Secretary
Heather, I had a hard time hearing everything, it was a little jumbled on this end, but I believe
your question is looking at a little bit more detail on the P&L from a modeling perspective for
2011. And I can certainly appreciate the difficulty in creating a model for 2011 as Ive gone
through that myself. So it certainly is a difficult thing to do to project accurately the timing of
the integration planned execution and that does, in fact, drive top-line adjustments as we convert
employee-based to IO routes. It also drives a synergistic improvements on the bottom line.
But in general, what I would tell you is that the first half of this year theres not going to be a
significant change from not necessarily 2010 pro forma, although I do believe that the operating
margins will be improved over what you see as a starting point there in the first half, but not
significantly in the first half, because the synergies that we have put into place already will
start to move the needle but its not 100-basis points. Its, say, 25 to 50-basis points or
something like that.
So the other piece of this is, as we go through this integration there are most certainly going to
be risks associated with execution at the DSD level, because this is major change and Carl has
identified that, I think, very well. And those things are hard to project as it relates to the
impact on a top-line number as well as a bottom-line number, because you the leverage in a
DSD-owned systems is pretty significant on gross margin, as well as operating margin, especially
this small format kind of stores. So those things, while we know are going to provide some
fluctuation and some variability to the first half, especially, and even into the second half we
know that those are going to be real.
So projecting a specific number or a specific set of guidelines for a quarterly kind of model are
just something that Im not prepared to do at this point. And I think that the if you look at
full-year 2011 and take into consideration that most of the synergies in this year will occur in the
back half, and then also taking what Ive mentioned as it relates to the top-line impact of the
conversion, sort of the straight line $80 million to $90 million reduction from July of this year
through June of next year, you can start to I think to build a model that makes some sense.
The interest cost, given you sort of the debt number. Ive also given you some cash inflows that
will start to occur that will reduce the debt. Were not changing the dividend, per se, in the
short term. So all of those will, I think, guide your interest cost, as well as Ive given you our
new rates at this point. So I think that you can start to build a model that probably makes sense.
It will
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provide, I agree, the opportunity for some wide fluctuations on a quarterly basis, and I am not
sure how I can guide you any better than what I have already, because there will be fluctuations on
a quarterly basis.
Heather Jones Canadian Capital Market Analyst
Well then, as a follow up, you guided to, I believe, 5% plus organic sales growth going forward. If
you take the $80 million to $90 million projected hits from converting to IO model thats roughly
5%. So when we but it should so I guess my question is, by the time we hit the end of 2012,
are we going be essentially yes, were higher margin, so were going to be at a higher margin
off essentially the same sales base, or is that 5% including the effect of the hit of moving to an
IO model?
Rick Puckett Snyders-Lance, Inc. EVP, CFO, Treasurer & Secretary
Well, that 5% to $80 million, $90 million comes over two years. So if you take the if we believe
we grow 5% per year over two years and then subtract the $80 million you can get back to a two year
net break.
Heather Jones Canadian Capital Market Analyst
Okay.
Rick Puckett Snyders-Lance, Inc. EVP, CFO, Treasurer & Secretary
Does that make sense?
Heather Jones Canadian Capital Market Analyst
It does. So basically it sounds like barring some significant disruption related to int relating
to conversion to IO model, that you would expect this year to look something like 2010, with the
obvious caveat that this integration could be bumpy?
Rick Puckett Snyders-Lance, Inc. EVP, CFO, Treasurer & Secretary
I didnt hear all of that, Heather. Its not coming clearly through. Could you repeat it, please?
Heather Jones Canadian Capital Market Analyst
Can you hear me now?
Rick Puckett Snyders-Lance, Inc. EVP, CFO, Treasurer & Secretary
Yes.
Heather Jones Canadian Capital Market Analyst
Okay. So it sounds like this year, barring potential integration issues, conversion issues, you
would expect this year to look similar to 2010, setting aside the potential risk of integration
issues with the IO conversion?
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Rick Puckett Snyders-Lance, Inc. EVP, CFO, Treasurer & Secretary
Well, I would expect that when you say look like 2010 we would anticipate some margin improvement,
because we are going to get some synergies as we roll through this year. Were not going to get
them all but some will occur, more in the second half than the first half, and that assumes that
were successful in offsetting the commodities with a combination of price increases and more
effective promotions. But assuming that, we would expect 2011 to be a little better from a margin
perspective than 2010.
Heather Jones Canadian Capital Market Analyst
Okay. All right, thank you very much.
Operator
And there are no further questions in queue. I turn call back to management for any closing
remarks.
David Singer Snyders-Lance, Inc. President & CEO
Well, I want to thank everybody for attending our first Snyders-Lance earnings conference call and
look forward to updating you as the year progresses. Were very excited about the future and
appreciate your support. Thank you very much.
Operator
And this concludes todays conference call, you may now disconnect.
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