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UNITED STATES SECURITIES AND EXCHANGE COMMISSION

Washington, D.C. 20549


FORM 10-Q


QUARTERLY REPORT PURSUANT TO SECTION 13 OR 15(d) OF THE
SECURITIES EXCHANGE ACT OF 1934

For the quarterly period ended September 30, 2004
Commission File Number: 0-17443

IDS MANAGED FUTURES II, L.P.
(Exact name of registrant as specified in its charter)


Delaware 06-1207252
(State or other jurisdiction of incorporation or organization) (I.R.S. Employer Identification No.)


233 South Wacker Drive
Suite 2300
Chicago, IL 60606

(Address of principal executive offices) (Zip Code)


(312) 460-4000
(Registrant's telephone number, including area code)


Not Applicable
(Former name, former address and former fiscal year, if changed since last report.)

Indicate by check mark whether the registrant (1) has filed all reports required to be filed by Section 13 or 15(d) of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934 during the preceding 12 months (or for such shorter period that the registrant was required to file such reports), and (2) has been subject to such filing requirements for the past 90 days.   Yes       No

Indicate by check mark whether the registrant is an accelerated filer (as defined in Rule 12b-2 or the Exchange Act).    Yes       No

The number of units outstanding, as of September 30, 2004, is 8,383.26.










TABLE OF CONTENTS
 
 
 
PART I. FINANCIAL INFORMATION
 
  Item 1.  Financial Statements
    Statements of Financial Condition (unaudited)
    Statements of Operations (unaudited)
    Statement of Changes in Partners’ Capital (unaudited)
    Notes to Financial Statements
             Condensed Schedule of Investments (unaudited)
  Item 2.  Management's Discussion and Analysis of Financial Condition and Results of Operations
  Item 3.  Quantitative and Qualitative Disclosures About Market Risk
  Item 4.  Controls and Procedures
 
 
Part II. OTHER INFORMATION
 
  Item 1.  Legal Proceedings
  Item 2.  Unregistered Sales of Securities and Use of Proceeds
  Item 3.  Defaults Upon Senior Securities
  Item 4.  Submission of Matters to a Vote of Security Holders
  Item 5.  Other Information
  Item 6.  Exhibits and Reports on Form 8-K
 
  SIGNATURES
 
EXHIBIT 31.01 - Certifications of Principal Executive Officer
EXHIBIT 31.02 - Certifications of Principal Financial Officer
EXHIBIT 32.01 - Section 1350 Certification
























PART 1 - FINANCIAL INFORMATION

Item 1.   Financial Statements

Following are Financial Statements for the fiscal quarter ended September 30, 2004 and the additional time frames as noted:

  Fiscal Quarter
Ended 09/30/04
Year to Date
Ended 09/30/04
Fiscal Year
Ended 12/31/03
Fiscal Quarter
Ended 09/30/03
Year to Date
Ended 09/30/03
 
Statements of Financial Condition X   X    
 
Statements of Operations X X   X X
 
Statement of Changes in Partners' Capital   X      
 
Notes to Financial Statements X        
 






IDS MANAGED FUTURES II, L.P.
STATEMENTS OF FINANCIAL CONDITION

    Sept. 30, 2004     Dec. 31, 2003
    (unaudited)      
ASSETS  
Assets:
    Equity in commodity futures trading accounts:  
       Cash on deposit with Brokers $ 3,300,203   $ 4,770,784
       Unrealized gain on open contracts   236,851     272,081
       Investment in other commodity pools   1,943,345     2,325,047
   
 
    5,480,399     7,367,912
 
    Interest receivable   4,130     2,827
    Redemptions receivable from other commodity pools   21,551     43,163
   
 
Total assets $ 5,506,080   $ 7,413,902
   
 
LIABILITIES AND PARTNERS' CAPITAL  
Liabilities:
    Accrued commissions $ 9,363   $ 6,045
    Accrued exchange, clearing and NFA fees   30     74
    Accrued management fees   5,863     8,373
    Accrued incentive fees   0     187
    Accrued operating expenses   27,432     32,000
    Accrued General Partner fees   293     188
    Redemptions payable   42,515     85,731
   
 
Total liabilities   85,496     132,598
   
 
Partners' capital:
    Limited partners (8,006.69 units outstanding at September 30, 2004,
      8,680.82 units outstanding at December 31, 2003)
  5,177,096     6,978,577
    General partners (376.57 units outstanding at September 30, 2004
      and December 31, 2003)
  243,488     302,727
   
 
Total parters' capital   5,420,584     7,281,304
   
 
Total liabilities and partners' capital $ 5,506,080   $ 7,413,902
   
 
Net asset value per unit $ 646.60   $ 803.91
 
See accompanying notes to financial statements.






IDS MANAGED FUTURES II, L.P.
STATEMENTS OF OPERATIONS
(unaudited)

    July 1, 2004
through
Sept. 30, 2004
    Jan. 1, 2004
through
Sept. 30, 2004
    July 1, 2003
through
Sept. 30, 2003
    Jan. 1, 2003
through
Sept. 30, 2003
 
Revenues:
    Gain (loss) on trading of:  
       Realized (loss) gain on closed positions $ (606,976)   $ (947,630)   $ (530,112)   $ 1,121,548  
       Change in unrealized gain (loss) on open contracts   412,432     (35,230)     381,935     (239,996)  
    Interest income   11,709     31,578     10,013     32,228  
    Income from investment in other commodity pools   (115,536)     (105,174)     (131,285)     91,220  
    Foreign currency transaction (loss) gain   (2,731)     (9,106)     (10,984)     9,178  
    Other revenue   0     0     7,178     7,178  
   
   
   
   
 
Total revenues   (301,102)     (1,065,562)     (273,255)     1,021,356  
   
   
   
   
 
Expenses:
    Commissions   60,425     173,040     69,411     184,475  
    Exchange, clearing and NFA fees   313     876     301     778  
    Management fees   17,442     63,756     24,635     76,541  
    Incentive fees   0     13,460     0     119,866  
    Administrative fees   984     4,086     1,733     5,198  
    Operating expenses   8,000     24,000     8,000     24,000  
   
   
   
   
 
Total expenses   87,164     279,218     104,080     410,858  
   
   
   
   
 
Net (loss) income $ (388,266)   $ (1,344,780)   $ (377,335)   $ 610,498  
   
   
   
   
 
(LOSS) PROFIT PER UNIT OF PARTNERSHIP INTEREST $ (45.13)   $ (157.31)   $ (40.41)   $ 60.10  
 
See accompanying notes to financial statements.






IDS MANAGED FUTURES II, L.P.
STATEMENT OF CHANGES IN PARTNERS' CAPITAL
For the period January 1, 2004 through September 30, 2004
(unaudited)

  Units*       Limited
Partners
      General
Partners
      Total  
 
Partners' capital at January 1, 2004 8,680.82     $ 6,978,577     $ 302,727     $ 7,281,304  
 
Net loss         (1,285,541)       (59,239)       (1,344,780)  
 
Redemptions (674.13)       (515,940)       0       (515,940)  
 
     
     
     
 
Partners' capital at September 30, 2004 8,006.69     $ 5,177,096     $ 243,488     $ 5,420,584  
 
     
     
     
 
Net asset value per unit January 1, 2004         803.91       803.91          
 
Net loss per unit         (157.31)       (157.31)          
         
     
         
Net asset value per unit September 30, 2004       $ 646.60     $ 646.60          
 
* Units of limited partnership interest.
 
See accompanying notes to financial statements.


IDS MANAGED FUTURES II, L.P.
NOTES TO FINANCIAL STATEMENTS
September 30, 2004

(1)   General Information and Summary

IDS Managed Futures II, L.P. (the Partnership), a limited partnership organized in April 1987 under the Delaware Revised Uniform Limited Partnership Act, was formed to engage in the speculative trading of commodity interests including futures contracts, forward contracts, physical commodities, and related options thereon pursuant to the trading instructions of independent trading advisors. The general partners are IDS Futures Corporation (IDSFC) and CIS Investments, Inc. (CISI) (collectively, the General Partners). The clearing broker is Cargill Investor Services, Inc. (Clearing Broker or CIS), the parent company of CISI. The broker for forward contracts is CIS Financial Services, Inc. (CISFS or Forwards Currency Broker), an affiliate of CISI. The Clearing Broker and the Forwards Currency Broker will collectively be referred to as the Brokers.

Units of limited partnership interest (“units”) were offered by AXP Advisors commencing July 14, 1987 through December 31, 1988. The total amount of the offering was $40,000,000. There is no definite number of units authorized for the Partnership because investors affiliated with the Selling Agent of the Partnership were not required to pay selling commissions. As of December 31, 1988, 60,127.14 units representing a total investment of $14,983,249 had been sold and accepted into the Partnership (excluding 627.95 units purchased by the General Partners for $150,110). A final group of investors purchasing units worth $423,750 between December 20, 1988 and December 31, 1988 were admitted into the Partnership on January 31, 1989, at a Net Asset Value of $255.27. The General Partners also purchased an additional $3,960 of units on January 31, 1989. Commencing January 1, 1989, the Partnership no longer accepts new investors.

The Partnership shall be terminated on December 31, 2007 if none of the following occur prior to that date: (1) investors holding more than 50% of the outstanding units notify the General Partners to dissolve the Partnership as of a specific date; (2) disassociation of the General Partners with the Partnership; (3) bankruptcy of the Partnership; (4) decrease in the net asset value (NAV) to less than $1,500,000; (5) the Partnership is declared unlawful; or (6) the NAV per unit declines to less than $125 per unit and the Partners elect to terminate the Partnership.

(2)   Summary of Significant Accounting Policies

The accounting and reporting policies of the Partnership conform to accounting principles generally accepted in the United States of America and to general practices within the commodities industry. The following is a description of the more significant of those policies that the Partnership follows in preparing its financial statements.

Revenue Recognition

Commodity futures contracts, forward contracts, physical commodities, and related options are recorded on the trade date. All such transactions are recorded on the identified cost basis and marked to market daily. Unrealized gain on open futures contracts reflected in the statements of financial condition represents the difference between original contract amount and market value (as determined by exchange settlement prices for futures contracts, and related options and cash dealer prices at a predetermined time for forward contracts, physical commodities and their related options) as of the last business day of the year or as of the last date of the financial statements.

The Partnership earns interest on 100% of the Partnership’s average monthly cash balance on deposit with the Brokers at a rate equal to 80% of the average 91-day Treasury bill rate for U.S. Treasury bills issued during that month.

Redemptions

A Limited Partner may cause any or all of his or her units to be redeemed by the Partnership effective as of the last trading day of any month. Redemptions are based on the NAV per unit as of the last day of the month and require ten days’ written notice to the General Partners. Payment will be made within ten business days of the effective date of the redemption. The Partnership’s Limited Partnership Agreement contains a full description of redemption and distribution procedures.

Commissions

Brokerage commissions and National Futures Association (NFA) clearing and exchange fees are accrued on a half-turn basis on open commodity futures contracts. The Partnership pays CIS commissions on trades executed on its behalf at a rate of $29.375 per half-turn contract. The Partnership pays these commissions directly to CIS and CISFS, and CIS then reallocates the $18.75 per half turn contract to American Express Financial Advisors, Inc. (AEFA).

Foreign Currency Transactions

Trading accounts in foreign currency denominations are susceptible to both movements in the underlying contract markets as well as fluctuations in currency rates. Foreign currencies are translated into U.S. dollars for closed positions at an average exchange rate for the period, while period-end balances are translated at the period-end currency rates. The impact of the translation is reflected in the statements of operations.

Use of Estimates

The preparation of financial statements in conformity with accounting principles generally accepted in the United States of America requires management to make estimates and assumptions that affect the reported amounts of assets and liabilities and disclosure of contingent assets and liabilities at the date of the financial statements and the reported amounts of revenues and expenses during the reporting period. Actual results could differ from those estimates.

(3)   Fees

Management fees are accrued and paid monthly and incentive fees are accrued monthly and paid quarterly. Trading decisions for the period of these financial statements were made by John W. Henry & Company, Inc. (JWH) and Sunrise Capital Partners, LLC (Sunrise).

Under signed agreement, JWH receives a monthly management fee of 0.166% (a 2% annual rate) of the month-end NAV of the Partnership under its management and an incentive fee of 20% of the Partnership’s new trading profits, if any, attributable to its management. Under signed agreement, Sunrise receives a monthly management fee of 0.166% (a 2% annual rate) of the month-end NAV of the Partnership under its management and an incentive fee of 20% of the Partnership’s new trading profits, if any, attributable to its management. For the periods ending September 30, 2004 and 2003, JWH was managing approximately 64% of the Partnership’s assets while Sunrise was indirectly managing 36% of the Partnership’s assets.

(4)   Income Taxes

No provision for Federal income taxes has been made in the accompanying financial statements as each partner is responsible for reporting income (loss) based on such partner’s pro rata share of the profits or losses of the Partnership. The Partnership is responsible for the Illinois State Partnership Information and Replacement Tax based on the operating results of the Partnership. Such tax amounted to $0 for the quarters ended September 30, 2004 and 2003 and is included in operating expenses in the statements of operations.

(5)   Trading Activities and Related Risks

The Partnership’s investment in other commodity pools are recorded at fair value and are subject to the market and credit risks of financial instruments and commodity contracts held or sold short by those entities. The Partnership bears the risk of loss only to the extent of the market value of its respective investments.

The Partnership engages in the speculative trading of U.S. and foreign futures contracts, options on U.S. and foreign futures contracts, and forward contracts (collectively derivatives). These derivatives include both financial and non-financial contracts held as part of a diversified trading strategy. The Partnership is exposed to both market risk, the risk arising from changes in the market value of the contracts, and credit risk, the risk of failure by another party to perform according to the terms of a contract.

The purchase and sale of futures contracts and options on futures contracts requires margin deposits with a Futures Commission Merchant (FCM). Additional deposits may be necessary for any loss on contract value. The Commodity Exchange Act (CE Act) requires a FCM to segregate all customer transactions and assets from the FCM’s proprietary activities. A customer’s cash and other property, such as U.S. Treasury bills, deposited with a FCM are considered commingled with all other customer funds subject to the FCM’s segregation requirements. In the event of a FCM’s insolvency, recovery may be limited to a pro rata share of segregated funds available. It is possible that the recovered amount could be less than the total of cash and other property deposited.

The Partnership has cash on deposit with an affiliated interbank market maker in connection with its trading of forward contracts. In the event of the interbank market maker’s insolvency, recovery of the Partnership assets on deposit may be limited to account insurance or other protection afforded such deposits. In the normal course of business, the Partnership does not require collateral from such interbank market maker. Because forward contracts are traded in unregulated markets between principals, the Partnership also assumes a credit risk.

For derivatives, risks arise from changes in the market value of the contracts. Theoretically, the Partnership is exposed to a market risk equal to the value of futures and forward contracts purchased and unlimited liability on such contracts sold short. As both a buyer and seller of options, the Partnership pays or receives a premium at the outset and then bears the risk of unfavorable changes in the price of the contract underlying the option.

The notional amounts of open contracts at September 30, 2004, as disclosed in the Condensed Schedule of Investments, do not represent the Partnership’s risk of loss due to market and credit risk, but rather represent the extent of the Partnership’s involvement in derivatives at the date of the statements of financial condition.

Net trading results from derivatives for the quarter ended September 30, 2004 and 2003, are reflected in the statements of operations and equal gains (losses) from trading less brokerage commissions. Such trading results reflect the net gain arising from the Partnership’s speculative trading of futures contracts, options on futures contracts, and forward contracts.

The Limited Partners bear the risk of loss only to the extent of the market value of their respective investments.

(6)   Investments in Other Commodity Pools

As of December 2001, the Partnership invests in another commodity pool, IDS Managed Fund LLC (IDSMF). The investment is subject to the terms of the respective advisory contract and other agreements of this commodity pool.

Income (loss) is net of the Partnership’s proportionate share of fees and expenses incurred or charged by IDSMF. During 2004, IDSMF charged monthly management fees of 1/12 of 2% of the NAV and a quarterly incentive fee of 20% of new trading profits and paid such amounts to Sunrise, the sole Commodity Trading Advisor (CTA).

Investment value in IDSMF is based on the proportionate share of units the Partnership has in IDSMF at the end of each month. The Partnership’s risk of loss in its investee pool is limited to its investment. The Partnership may make additional contributions to or withdrawals from its investment in IDSMF as of the last day of any month.

Summarized information reflecting the Partnership’s investment in, and the operations of, the investee pool is as shown in the following table.

Investment in IDSMF, January 1, 2004 $ 2,325,047
Results of operations of IDSMF:
Revenues   130,908
      Management and incentive fees   (473,327)
      Other expenses   (104,129)
 
Net income before allocation to limited partners   (446,548)
Allocation to the other limited partners   (341,374)
 
Partnership's income from investment in IDSMF   (105,174)
 
Partnership's redemptions from IDSMF   (276,528)
 
Net asset value of the Partnership's investment in IDSMF, September 30, 2004   1,943,345

The following table is a summary of IDSMF’s net assets, at September 30, 2004.

  Number of
contracts
  Principal/
notional value
    Value/
Open Trade Equity (OTE)
 

Long positions
Futures positions (1.60%)
   Energy 20 $ 992,800   $ 63,740  
   Interest rates 151   10,929,949     28,282  
   Metals 27   1,225,538     49,096  
   Indices 6   296,388     (10,493)  
     
   
 
      13,444,675     130,625  
     
   
 
Forward positions (0.56%)
   Currencies 9   3,953,266     45,541  
     
   
 
          Total long positions   $ 17,397,941   $ 176,166  
     
   
 
 
Short positions
Futures positions (0.64%)
   Agriculture 36 $ 437,088   $ 94,038  
   Metals 10   374,325     (41,800)  
     
   
 
      811,413     52,238  
 
Forward positions (-0.64%)
   Currencies 30   7,465,387     (52,516)  
     
   
 
          Total short positions   $ 8,276,800    $ (278)  
     
   
 
Total open contracts (2.16%) $ 175,888  
Cash on deposit with brokers (101.06%) 8,233,222  
Other assets in excess of liabilities (-3.22%) (262,164)  
           
 
Net assets (100%) $ 8,146,946  
           
 

(7)   Financial Highlights

The following financial highlights show the Partnership’s financial performance for the nine-month period ended September 30, 2004. Total return is calculated as the change in a theoretical limited partner’s investment over the entire period and is not annualized. Total return is calculated based on the aggregate return of the Partnership taken as a whole.

Total Return:
      Total return before incentive fees   -19.44%
      Less incentive fee allocation   0.13%
Total Return   -19.57%
 
Ratio to average net assets:
      Net loss   -20.75%
 
Expenses:
      Expenses   4.10%
      Incentive fees   0.21%
 
Total expenses   4.31%

The net income and expense ratios are computed based upon the weighted average net assets for the Partnership for the nine-month period ended September 30, 2004 and are not annualized. Ratios do not reflect income or expenses related to investment in other commodity pools.

IDS MANAGED FUTURES II, L.P.
Condensed Schedule of Investments
September 30, 2004
(unaudited)

  Number of
contracts
  Principal/
notional
    Value/
  OTE  
 
Long positions
Futures positions (5.41%)
Interest rates 247 $ 40,096,749   $ 222,700  
Metals 31   1,500,345     76,823  
Indices 10   339,729     (6,091)  
     
   
 
      41,936,823     293,432  
     
   
 
Forward positions (1.32%)
   Currencies 20   8,952,343     71,373  
     
   
 
   Total long positions   $ 50,889,166   $ 364,805  
     
   
 
Short positions
Futures positions (-0.26%)
Metals 2 $ 153,875   $ (13,875)  
     
   
 
Forward positions (-2.10%)
Currencies 15   8,857,129     (114,079)  
     
   
 
   Total short positions   $ 9,011,004   $ (127,954)  
     
   
 
Total open contracts (4.37%) $ 236,851  
Cash on deposit with brokers (60.88%) 3,300,203  
Investment in other commodity pools (35.85%) 1,943,345  
Other assets in excess of liabilities (-1.10%) (59,815)  
           
 
Net assets (100%)         $ 5,420,584  
           
 

Item 2.   Management's Discussion and Analysis of Financial Condition and Results of Operations

(a)   Capital Resources

The Partnership’s capital resources fluctuate based upon the redemption of units and the gains and losses of the Partnership’s trading activities. For the nine month ended September 30, 2004, Limited Partners redeemed a total of 674.13 units for $515,938.03 and for the nine month ended September 30, 2003, Limited Partners redeemed a total of 620.50 units for $476,183.

The Partnership’s involvement in the futures and forward markets exposes the Partnership to both market risk – the risk arising from changes in the market value of the futures and forward contracts held by the Partnership – and credit risk – the risk that another party to a contract will fail to perform its obligations according to the terms of the contract. The Partnership is exposed to a market risk equal to the value of the futures and forward contracts purchased and theoretically unlimited risk of loss on contracts sold short. The Partnership’s commodity trading advisors (Advisors) monitor the Partnership’s trading activities and attempt to control the Partnership’s exposure to market risk by, among other things, refining their trading strategies, adjusting position sizes of the Partnership’s futures and forward contacts and re-allocating Partnership assets to different market sectors. The Partnership’s primary exposure to credit risk is its exposure to the non-performance of the Forwards Currency Broker. The Forwards Currency Broker generally enters into forward contracts with large, well-capitalized institutions and then enters into a back-to-back contract with the Partnership. The Partnership also may trade on exchanges that do not have associated clearing houses whose credit supports the obligations of its members and operate as principals markets, in which case the Partnership will be exposed to the credit risk of the other party to such trades.

The Partnership’s trading activities involve varying degrees of off-balance sheet risk whereby changes in the market values of the futures and forward contracts underlying the financial instruments or the Partnership’s satisfaction of the obligations may exceed the amount recognized in the statement of financial condition of the Partnership.